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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2014, 07:40:36 PM »

Yes (left-leaning). I think this'll be good for both countries.
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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2014, 08:29:37 PM »

Thank the probably non-existent God(So left I make Marx look like a centrist.)
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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2014, 08:30:20 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2014, 09:04:32 PM »

I would have waited until after the Castro brothers were dead and buried.  As it is, it looks like a surrender. 
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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2014, 09:07:54 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2014, 09:13:12 PM »

I would have waited until after the Castro brothers were dead and buried.  As it is, it looks like a surrender. 

Well, no.
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« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2014, 09:20:13 PM »

I would have waited until after the Castro brothers were dead and buried.  As it is, it looks like a surrender. 

Well, no.

Well, yes.  Appearances matter in foreign policy.  These sanctions (unlike others) were rather personalized around one individual, unfortunately.  As long as he remains alive, he (and his brother, by extension) can claim victory by having outlived them.  As if we had simply given up, acknowledging failure.  Which is what essentially President Obama has done here. 
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2014, 09:23:28 PM »

I would have waited until after the Castro brothers were dead and buried.  As it is, it looks like a surrender. 

Well, no.

Well, yes.  Appearances matter in foreign policy.  These sanctions (unlike others) were rather personalized around one individual, unfortunately.  As long as he remains alive, he (and his brother, by extension) can claim victory by having outlived them.  As if we had simply given up, acknowledging failure.  Which is what essentially President Obama has done here. 

Well, no.
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2014, 09:25:49 PM »

A "victory" in meaningless "battle". Cuba presents no threat to the U.S., it's authoritarian manner of government does not justify their total isolation and never did; the sanctions should have been lifted long ago. Following bad policy out of personal spite for one man would have been Castro's true victory. Then he could say he held U.S. policy hostage for years solely out of fear of him.
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2014, 09:32:18 PM »
« Edited: December 17, 2014, 09:34:04 PM by Illuminati Blood Drinker »

Well, yes.  Appearances matter in foreign policy.
Noted boon for America's image abroad, the Cuban embargo  

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Silly me, thinking punishing a country 50 GODDAMN YEARS ON for picking the guy we didn't like was ill-thought out.

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Good for him for throwing an ineffectual, unpopular, outdated concept, even if it was way past its sell-by date. Which is more than I can say for you Clintoncrats.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2014, 09:54:20 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2014, 09:59:52 PM »
« Edited: December 18, 2014, 09:17:51 AM by Murica! »

Just correcting you.
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2014, 10:17:29 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2014, 10:19:08 PM »

Yeah, it's just embarrassing Cold War prop at this point, if Nixon and Carter could normalize with China with their numerous human rights abuses and Tibetan occupation... then why the heck can't U.S. normalize with Cuba?

And in my case, you could say (leftist/populist)
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2014, 02:03:12 AM »

Hell yeah (left-leaning).
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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2014, 02:17:12 AM »

Yes (Normal)
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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2014, 02:27:19 AM »

I would have waited until after the Castro brothers were dead and buried.  As it is, it looks like a surrender. 

Well, no.

Well, yes.  Appearances matter in foreign policy.  These sanctions (unlike others) were rather personalized around one individual, unfortunately.  As long as he remains alive, he (and his brother, by extension) can claim victory by having outlived them.  As if we had simply given up, acknowledging failure.  Which is what essentially President Obama has done here. 

I'm not sure how that sort of rhetoric applies to the actual situation.  Certainly not in your lifetime has Cuba ever presented some kind of threat, imminent or otherwise to the safety of the US.  If the original goal of the embargo has become irrelevant and it remains in place out of tradition and/or personalized spite more than anything else ... it's hardly a "surrender."  Someone has to clean up these kinds of mistakes, after all.  If not Obama, who?
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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2014, 04:34:04 AM »

Yes
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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2014, 09:39:46 AM »

Yeah, it's just embarrassing Cold War prop at this point, if Nixon and Carter could normalize with China with their numerous human rights abuses and Tibetan occupation... then why the heck can't U.S. normalize with Cuba?

And in my case, you could say (leftist/populist)

For all the awful things in Maoist China, the Tibetian occupation was nowhere near the worst of it.
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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2014, 09:41:14 AM »

Yeah, the PRC did the right thing with regard to Tibet, given that the area was something out of a dystopian nightmare prior to the Chinese revolution.
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« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2014, 11:30:27 AM »

Yes (left-leaning)
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« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2014, 11:37:05 AM »

The sanctions have been a embarrasment to USA since the fall of USSR. If USA had removed them in the early 90ties, it would have been seen as just another part of the American victory in the Cold War (and Cuba would likely have been a democracy today), now it just seem like a moment of sanity in a deeply dysfunctional government. Yes it's a loss of face as Frodo suggested, but upkeeping irrational sanctions on a small developing country in the American backyard, is a even bigger loss of face, especially as they have been unable to end the Cuban regime.

There is no dignity in this, but there is less dignity in continue the sanctions.

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« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2014, 02:23:55 PM »

Yeah, the PRC did the right thing with regard to Tibet, given that the area was something out of a dystopian nightmare prior to the Chinese revolution.

Yay imperialism.
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« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2014, 04:18:25 PM »

Yeah, the PRC did the right thing with regard to Tibet, given that the area was something out of a dystopian nightmare prior to the Chinese revolution.

Yay imperialism.
It's different when socialists do it obviously.
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« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2014, 04:57:53 PM »

Yes, enthusiastically. (Left-leaning).
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