Would you rather visit China or Cuba?

[TDAS04]

Where would you rather visit?

[Lief 🗽]

Cuba (normal). I'm actually very excited about visiting there now.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Cuba, of course.

[Goldwater]

Cuba

[Beet]

China, although obviously I'm biased.

[Supersonic]

China definitely.

[Mr. Smith]

China

[checkers]

I want to visit both eventually, but I've probably given more thought to China since it'd be more affordable for me.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Both would be nice, but Cuba seems to be the more interesting destination to me.

[RI]

China has an incredible amount of natural beauty. I wouldn't mind visiting Jiuzhaigao and the rest of Sichuan, the Yarlung Tsangpo Grand Canyon, parts of Tibet, Xinjiang (Tianshan Mountains, Dzungarian Basin, Taklamakan Desert, Urumqi), parts of Manchuria including Lake Khanka, etc.

[retromike22]

China. Cubans are loud

[morgieb]

Cuba. China just seems dirty.

[TNF]

The socialist one

[memphis]

China. Cubans are loud

[Sopranos Republican]

China. Cubans are loud

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[Kushahontas]

Cuba because I value my lungs

[Peter the Lefty]

Cuba.  The one where there's some actual liberty.  Plus, beeches, eye candy, etc..  The cities aren't horrendously crowded.  The air is breathable.  Plus, as an extra bonus, Cuba is in the same time zone as I am.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Cuba.  The one where there's some actual liberty.  Plus, beeches, eye candy, etc..  The cities aren't horrendously crowded.  The air is breathable.  Plus, as an extra bonus, Cuba is in the same time zone as I am.

Beeches don't grow outside the temperate zone.

[retromike22]

Cuba. China just seems dirty.

Cuba because I value my lungs

[Beet]

Making sweeping generalizations about people is racist, making sweeping generalizations about the environment is not.

The metropolitan areas of China are on average a lot dirtier and more polluted than the U.S., so it could be described as "dirty". That's the price they choose to pay (for now) for producing 58% of the world's cement and 48% of the world's steel. They decided it was better to get cancer but be rich than to be cancer free but poor. Life's trade offs. The U.S. made a very similar one actually, in the 20th century. Now we've outsourced our pollution to China. We get their stuff, while they get the pollution and promissory notes from us printed by the Fed. Pretty good deal for us, IMO. Now if we could only figure out how to distribute some of that gain to the poor blue collar stiff whose labor is worth less thanks to it, like they teach you in economics class when university professors try to convince you that free trade is always good and Pareto optimal. That last step always seems to occur only in theory.

I've never been to Cuba, but I have little doubt the air there is better. I suspect in 20 years it'll be much more like China, or more likely a giant tourist trap. Dirtier and more polluted, but a lot richer.

[Eraserhead]

Cuba