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« on: April 18, 2005, 10:02:38 PM »

my additions to the previous thread.

Japan
South Korea
Denmark
Austria
Switzerland
Sweden
Norway
Finland
Russia
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Belgium
Mexico
Nepal
India
South Africa
East Timor
Venezuela
Brazil
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2005, 10:03:20 PM »

my answers as before:

Japan - Communists
South Korea - Democratic Labour
Denmark - Socialist People's Party
Austria - Social Democrats
Switzerland - Social Democrats
Sweden - Left
Norway - Socialist Left
Finland - Left Wing League
Russia - Communists
Luxembourg - Socialist Workers
Netherlands - Socialists
Belgium - Socialists
Mexico - PRD
Nepal - Communists
India - Left Front
South Africa - Democratic Alliance
East Timor - FRETILIN
Venezuela - Movement for the Fifth Republic
Brazil - Workers' Party
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2005, 10:42:25 PM »

Japan - LDP
South Korea - United Liberal Democrats
Denmark - Venestre
Austria - OVP
Switzerland - Swiss People's Party
Sweden - Moderata
Norway - Hoyre
Finland - Kokoomus
Russia - SPS
Luxembourg - CSV
Netherlands - VVD
Belgium - CD&V
Mexico - PAN
Nepal - National Democrats
India - INC
South Africa - Democratic Alliance
East Timor - Timorese Democratic Union
Venezuela - Accion Democratica (strongest anti-Chavez party)
Brazil - Liberal Front
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2005, 10:53:30 PM »

Japan - SDP
South Korea - Uri Party
Denmark - Social Democrats
Austria - SPÖ
Switzerland - SPS/PSS
Sweden - Social Democratic Party
Norway - DNA
Finland - Left Alliance
Russia - Yabloko
Luxembourg - Socialist Worker's
Netherlands - Lijst Pim Fortuyn
Belgium - PS
Mexico - PRD
Nepal - Nepali Congress
India - Indian National Congress
South Africa - ANC
East Timor - Social Democratic Party
Venezuela - MVR
Brazil - Worker's Party
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2005, 10:59:24 PM »

I can't really answer these types of questions because I don't know the political realities of living in any of these countries. It isn't really right for me to form a political opinion of a country on some short blurb on electionworld.
At least in the case of Ireland and the UK I have been there enough to make a moderately ill informed opinion rather than a total guess.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2005, 10:31:26 AM »

Japan - Democrats
South Korea - don't know about names of their parties...something with anti-dictatorship roots
Denmark - Socialist People's Party
Austria - Greens
Switzerland - depends on canton. Something with a chance to win a seat in the smaller ones. Splitting my vote in the larger ones, with Greens, SPS and fringe candidates getting votes
Sweden - Green or Commie
Norway - Er...are there Greens? Are there Commies? I think there are, but I'm not sure.
Finland - Green or Commie
Russia - Illegal Emigration
Luxembourg - Green
Netherlands - Socialist or Green Left. Not D'66 anymore.
Belgium - Greens
Mexico - PRD
Nepal - Whoever pays me most
India - Depends on Constituency. Samajwadi where they stand a chance and where the candidate isn't too much of a scumbag
South Africa - ANC or splinter group
East Timor - ?
Venezuela - Rather not Chaves. Certainly not any of the major opposition groups.
Brazil - Worker's Party
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2005, 03:38:29 PM »

Japan- Liberal Democratic Party
South Korea- Either Millenium Democratic Party or Grand National Party
Denmark- Venstre
Austria- Austrian People's Party
Switzerland- Freethinking Democratic Party (more likely) or the Swiss People's Party
Sweden- Either the Moderate Rally Party or the People's Party Liberals
Norway- Right Party
Finland- National Rally
Russia- Union of Right Forces
Luxembourg- Democratic Party
Netherlands- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy
Belgium- Flemish Liberals and Democrats
Mexico- Partido Accion National
Nepal- National Democratic Party (I guess. I would rather flee the country though)
India- Probably Bharatiya Janata Party
South Africa- Have no idea
East Timor- Timorese Democratic Union
Venezuela- Proyecto Venezuela
Brazil- Partido Liberal
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2005, 03:44:59 PM »

Japan - SDP
South Korea - Uri Party
Denmark - Social Democrats
Austria - SPÖ
Switzerland - SPS/PSS
Sweden - Social Democratic Party
Norway - DNA
Finland - Left Alliance
Russia - Yabloko
Luxembourg - Socialist Worker's
Netherlands - Lijst Pim Fortuyn
Belgium - PS
Mexico - PRD
Nepal - Nepali Congress
India - Indian National Congress
South Africa - ANC
East Timor - Social Democratic Party
Venezuela - MVR
Brazil - Worker's Party

I think I would agree with all of Earl's.   Some of those countries I don't know about.

Let me add Thailand!   Thaksin Shinawat and the Thai-Rak-Thai party is ruining this country - and this is one of the last decent countries on the planet.  Horrible social conservative crackdown on prostitution.  I would vote for the Democrats (the older, more liberal party), or just wish for a military coup.  The military generally likes prostitutes.  Alas, a coup is unlikely, and the Democrats get like 1/3 of the vote anymore. Sad
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2005, 09:50:59 PM »

How about the King, what are his stances? Any chance of a monarchist coup like in Iran? Note that I like the previous Iranian Prime Minister far more than the Shah, but considering what replaced him, I think the Shah is a great hero now. Of course I wouldn't supported his overthrow at the time, but I would've just made the same error as Jimmy Carter, lacking hindsight.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2005, 04:22:59 AM »

How about the King, what are his stances? Any chance of a monarchist coup like in Iran? Note that I like the previous Iranian Prime Minister far more than the Shah, but considering what replaced him, I think the Shah is a great hero now. Of course I wouldn't supported his overthrow at the time, but I would've just made the same error as Jimmy Carter, lacking hindsight.
Actually, it makes slightly more sense (but not much) to claim that, considering what was before him, Ayatollah Khomeini is a great hero now.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2005, 09:54:44 AM »

Do you mean Khataemi or whatever the guy in charge now's name is?

I see the difference as that the Shah tried to westernize and secularize Iran, allowing liquor sales and giving women the right to vote. He shouldn't have been so repressive though and shouldn't have gone after leftists and other types. That's what caused them to join in to overthrow him, only to end up with a government a million times worse as a result. I don't blame them, but today no one would argue that with hindsight the Shah should've been left alone.

Iran would probably be a democracy if that had happened too at least after he died (isn't his son still alive and still claiming to be the true ruler of Iran?)
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2005, 10:57:21 AM »

my answers as before:

Japan - Communists
South Korea - Democratic Labour
Denmark - Socialist People's Party
Austria - Social Democrats
Switzerland - Social Democrats
Sweden - Left
Norway - Socialist Left
Finland - Left Wing League
Russia - Communists
Luxembourg - Socialist Workers
Netherlands - Socialists
Belgium - Socialists
Mexico - PRD
Nepal - Communists
India - Left Front
South Africa - Democratic Alliance
East Timor - FRETILIN
Venezuela - Movement for the Fifth Republic
Brazil - Workers' Party
Likewise.  I kind of want the rest of the world to go down the toilet so I can get some sick pleasure of seeing them reap what they sowed.  ers.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2005, 04:00:06 PM »

How about the King, what are his stances? Any chance of a monarchist coup like in Iran? Note that I like the previous Iranian Prime Minister far more than the Shah, but considering what replaced him, I think the Shah is a great hero now. Of course I wouldn't supported his overthrow at the time, but I would've just made the same error as Jimmy Carter, lacking hindsight.

I believe the King of Thailand was always very good about tolerating the sex industry as well as military rule.  Certainly previous coups were reputed to have been given the King's tacit approval before they could go ahead.  He officially has no real power. 

Man I wish there would be a military coup, but I fear that like so many aspects of the good old days of the 50's, 60's, and 70's, coups are long gone.  Now its all stinking democracy catering to the homegrown prudes, just like America or Saudi Arabia.
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2005, 09:25:02 PM »

Japan - SDP
South Korea - Uri Party
Denmark - Social Democrats
Austria - SPÖ
Switzerland - SPS/PSS
Sweden - Social Democratic Party
Norway - DNA
Finland - Left Alliance
Russia - Yabloko
Luxembourg - Socialist Worker's
Netherlands - Lijst Pim Fortuyn
Belgium - PS
Mexico - PRD
Nepal - Nepali Congress
India - Indian National Congress
South Africa - ANC
East Timor - Social Democratic Party
Venezuela - MVR
Brazil - Worker's Party

I think I would agree with all of Earl's.   Some of those countries I don't know about.

Let me add Thailand!   Thaksin Shinawat and the Thai-Rak-Thai party is ruining this country - and this is one of the last decent countries on the planet.  Horrible social conservative crackdown on prostitution.  I would vote for the Democrats (the older, more liberal party), or just wish for a military coup.  The military generally likes prostitutes.  Alas, a coup is unlikely, and the Democrats get like 1/3 of the vote anymore. Sad


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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2005, 08:16:38 AM »

Do you mean Khataemi or whatever the guy in charge now's name is?

I see the difference as that the Shah tried to westernize and secularize Iran, allowing liquor sales and giving women the right to vote.
Right to vote? In the Shah's Iran?
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Iran would never have become a Democracy without an overthrow of the Shah's extremely brutal military regime (which banned wearing the Chador btw, then the most common women's garment in Iran), which gave none of its oil millions back to the people. Iran is a democracy now...sort of...well, not really...but more so than under the Shah. And it's the only country in the world where the right to vote begins at 15.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2005, 07:26:47 PM »

The Islamists messed it all up by knocking the leftists off.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2005, 09:34:19 PM »

The Shah didn't treat political prisoners too well, but for the most party he only exiled or imprisoned them. When Khomeini took over he simply killed them all, including many who opposed the Shah as well and many who helped him overthrow the Shah. Then after Iraq attacked Iran they cleared mine fields by forcing children as young as 9 to walk across areas suspected to be mined, telling them all that martyrdom nonsense if they did step on a mine. Perfect example of out of the frying pan and into the fire. Carter did try to get the Shah to tone down, it just happened at the worst possible time. Likely though if Khomeini stayed out of the way the Shah or his son could be forced to democraticize the country, or a more benign group would've overthrown him. What happened was the worst case scenario.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2005, 05:13:43 AM »

What happened was the worst case scenario.
No. Not in the pre-1989 world. Back then any successful overthrow of that outcrop of the abyss would have had to be wildly anti-American. And violent. And an unholy alliance of Leftists and Islamists.
And  it's hard to picture the more secular democratic groups keeping power...condidering the - inevitable - international reaction...as well as the fact that their popular support was smaller than the Islamists'...then there was the prompt attack by one of the world's most militantly anti-Islamic governments...
Best I can picture, pre-89, is Khomeini sans the horrible mass executions. Most Iranian exiles will say the same, incidentally.

Now, after 1989 the West has been much more interested in introducing Democracy in the third world...so a better scenario is possible...but I look at Saudi Arabia and I don't think it would have happened.
And no, I don't think Iran now is worse than Saudi Arabia now...and I don't think many Iranians think that either, actually.

Incidentally, the whole history of Iraq over the last twenty-five years would turn out miraculously different without the Iranian Revolution. The US might never have gone to war there. It's very hard to tell what would have happened exactly, though.
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2005, 12:32:56 PM »

Well I think saying best case is Khomeini without the mass executions is similar to saying another best case is Saddam's invasion succeeds but then he decides to be more benign. It simply isn't a realistic possibility.

Even if a better government wasn't possible prior to 1989, it's basically a given Khomeini was worse than the Shah. Thus no revolution until 1989 and then a much more democratic and secular group taking over could be seen as best case, or the Shah's son turns out to better. Tough to say. But I can't see things much worse than what happened.
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2005, 05:57:04 AM »

Japan - I'd rather kill myself than living in japan.
South Korea - Dont know enough about it to say. Maybe New Korea Party of Hope.
Denmark -  Venstre
Austria - Probably Christian Democrats, since i don't knoe enogh about Haider's party.
Switzerland - Swiss People's Party, the only anti-EU party.
Sweden - Moderate Coalition
Norway - Either Venstre or Høyre.
Finland - National Coalition Party
Russia - Union of Right Forces
Luxembourg  - Christian Social People's Party I suppose.
Netherlands - List Pim Fortuyn
Belgium - Vlaams Interest
I pass the otehr countires since they all suck and I wouldt live in them if I was paid for.
East Timor - Someone who isnt FRETILIN
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2005, 05:18:08 PM »

Liberals or Socialists in Belgium, Radikale Venstre in Scandinavia, PT or PSDB or PPS in Brazil, PRD in Mexico... and absolutely no idea in all the others, especially where the left-right cleavage is not aplicable.
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