NY-11 Special Election Thread

[IceSpear]

Staten Island Democrats continue to have their heads up their asses, refuse to take advantage of an issue that causes turnout to rise.

Jesus Christ, these people are incompetent.

Because doing their best to avoid any sort of controversial issue worked out so well in 2014...

[IceSpear]

In Staten Islander's mind, what is so bad about these democratic candidates that they would rather vote in criminals like Grimm? The democrats running here have had no crimes on their hands - and even if they did, Staten Islanders supported Cuomo the corrupt.

In the minds of Staten Islanders, "sending a message" that they're independent of NYC is more important than whether or not their Congressman is a criminal. Besides, we're starting to get to the point in politics where partisans would prefer a criminal of their own party over a non criminal of the other party. See FL-Gov 2010/2014. Though at least Dems seem to be better at this than Republicans, considering they dumped Bill Jefferson for a Republican even in a D+22 district.

[IceSpear]

In Staten Islander's mind, what is so bad about these democratic candidates that they would rather vote in criminals like Grimm? The democrats running here have had no crimes on their hands - and even if they did, Staten Islanders supported Cuomo the corrupt.

In the minds of Staten Islanders, "sending a message" that they're independent of NYC is more important than whether or not their Congressman is a criminal. Besides, we're starting to get to the point in politics where partisans would prefer a criminal of their own party over a non criminal of the other party. See FL-Gov 2010/2014. Though at least Dems seem to be better at this than Republicans, considering they dumped Bill Jefferson for a Republican even in a D+22 district.

Not Necessarily, Rangel, Jesse Jackson jr, and John Kitzhaber all got reelected without issue

Didn't it seem like until fairly recently that it was just Kitzhaber's fiance that was the issue? I'm not sure, I didn't really read too much about that. As for the others, I agree. It's a shame that they did/do keep winning. At least this is Rangel's final term.

[IceSpear]

That turnout is pathetic. Special elections really need to be banned.

All because Democrats can't figure out how to get their voters to fill out an oval on a piece of paper? Just suspend democracy for 2 years for congressional vacancies or allow a bureaucrat to appoint? Not likely.

Apparently Republicans can't either, considering Donovan got ~30,000 less votes than Grimm, in an election that was already extremely low turnout to begin with.

[IceSpear]

That turnout is pathetic. Special elections really need to be banned.

All because Democrats can't figure out how to get their voters to fill out an oval on a piece of paper? Just suspend democracy for 2 years for congressional vacancies or allow a bureaucrat to appoint? Not likely.

Apparently Republicans can't either, considering Donovan got ~30,000 less votes than Grimm, in an election that was already extremely low turnout to begin with.

Yeah, but they still can do it better then Democrats. I can only laugh at Democratic voter's complete impotence in specials. And without Obama motivating minority vote in 2016 - not sure that Democratic base (which is the same minorities now, with white voters more and more deserting party) will bother to turn out next year..

Minorities heavily turned out for bores like Gore and Kerry, so they definitely will for Hillary.

[IceSpear]

That turnout is pathetic. Special elections really need to be banned.

All because Democrats can't figure out how to get their voters to fill out an oval on a piece of paper? Just suspend democracy for 2 years for congressional vacancies or allow a bureaucrat to appoint? Not likely.

Apparently Republicans can't either, considering Donovan got ~30,000 less votes than Grimm, in an election that was already extremely low turnout to begin with.

Yeah, but they still can do it better then Democrats. I can only laugh at Democratic voter's complete impotence in specials. And without Obama motivating minority vote in 2016 - not sure that Democratic base (which is the same minorities now, with white voters more and more deserting party) will bother to turn out next year..

Minorities heavily turned out for bores like Gore and Kerry, so they definitely will for Hillary.

The Turnout that Obama got isn't even comparable to what Gore/Kerry got.

Hillary may be able to match the Hispanic turnout, but I don't think she can hold the republican nominee to 27% of the hispanic vote like Obama did, because I think the republicans are smart enough to not talk about self deportation again. The republican nominee almost certainly will get 30%, maybe 35%, perhaps even 40% of the hispanic vote.

Black Turnout isn't going to match 2012 in 2016. Not Happening. Also, black support, without a black on the ticket, should go back to 89-91% as opposed to the 93% that Obama got, barring a terrible republican nominee.

I didn't say she'd equal Obama. But this idea that minority turnout/support is just going to completely collapse without Obama is ridiculous when you look at the last PRESIDENTIAL elections without Obama on the ballot.