The Seriously? Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V

[Figueira]

Too bad it's only a temporary stay.

[RI]

Too bad it's only a temporary stay.

Yeah, this is where we post things we disagree with.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Too bad it's only a temporary stay.

Yeah, this is where we post things we disagree with.

It's not our fault you want Buck Angel in the ladies room.

[RI]

Too bad it's only a temporary stay.

Yeah, this is where we post things we disagree with.

It's not our fault you want Buck Angel in the ladies room.

It's not my fault you think women are too fragile to handle themselves.

[Goldwater]

Horrible Band. They violate the #1 rule of punk rock: That it should be all liberal, all the time.

The modern day punk/hardcore bands that write songs that are really just long essays about the abolition of gender roles or being self-aware to avoid microaggressions or promoting the destruction and annihilation of culture or who wrote a multi-paragraph essay about how they don't like that a local venue serves beer brands that engage in sexist advertising are the real punks, not these dumbass neandrathals.

[evergreenarbor]

Too bad it's only a temporary stay.

Yeah, this is where we post things we disagree with.

It's not our fault you want Buck Angel in the ladies room.

It's not my fault you think women are too fragile to handle themselves.

...what? This seems like a non sequitur.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Too bad it's only a temporary stay.

Yeah, this is where we post things we disagree with.

It's not our fault you want Buck Angel in the ladies room.

It's not my fault you think women are too fragile to handle themselves.

...What?

[Antonio the Sixth]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Horrible Band. They violate the #1 rule of punk rock: That it should be all liberal, all the time.

The modern day punk/hardcore bands that write songs that are really just long essays about the abolition of gender roles or being self-aware to avoid microaggressions or promoting the destruction and annihilation of culture or who wrote a multi-paragraph essay about how they don't like that a local venue serves beer brands that engage in sexist advertising are the real punks, not these dumbass neandrathals.

That's just him laying down bait for this thread IMO.

[Figueira]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

Blatant transphobia is OK in your book now?

[RI]

This post actually belongs here:

No, but if a private citizen decides to assassinate him I'd be okay with that.

[Antonio the Sixth]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

Blatant transphobia is OK in your book now?

Expressing a terrible view =/= saying something blatantly absurd.

[This account no longer in use.]

This post actually belongs here:

No, but if a private citizen decides to assassinate him I'd be okay with that.

Whelp, pack it up, guys. We can't get any lower than this.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

Blatant transphobia is OK in your book now?

Your definition of "blatant" is a bit off, and I say that as someone who actually for the most part is on your side of this politically.

[Figueira]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

Blatant transphobia is OK in your book now?

Your definition of "blatant" is a bit off, and I say that as someone who actually for the most part is on your side of this politically.

He did say that people should be permanently barred from entering bathrooms of their gender identity.

Also, it might help to be more aware of realisticidealist's posting history.

[Higgs]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

Blatant transphobia is OK in your book now?

Your definition of "blatant" is a bit off, and I say that as someone who actually for the most part is on your side of this politically.

He did say that people should be permanently barred from entering bathrooms of their gender identity.

Also, it might help to be more aware of realisticidealist's posting history.

I completely agree with you on this issue, but it may serve you some good to think of other people's perspectives on the issue and realize it isn't always as black and white as you think it is. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're a bigot/_____phobe. You don't know his reasoning, so you can't make that judgement. Also, do you really think you're going to convince anyone or win the debate by calling the opposing side trans phobic? That's not helping our side, you're only hurting us.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Every single post by "Korwinist":

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=242480.0

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

Blatant transphobia is OK in your book now?

Your definition of "blatant" is a bit off, and I say that as someone who actually for the most part is on your side of this politically.

He did say that people should be permanently barred from entering bathrooms of their gender identity.

Also, it might help to be more aware of realisticidealist's posting history.

I've been debating him for four years before you joined. I know his history. Having strong (and wrong) moral beliefs does not make one a bigot.

[Figueira]

STOP ARGUING

And I'm sorry to say this, but RI is right. That post didn't belong here.

Blatant transphobia is OK in your book now?

Your definition of "blatant" is a bit off, and I say that as someone who actually for the most part is on your side of this politically.

He did say that people should be permanently barred from entering bathrooms of their gender identity.

Also, it might help to be more aware of realisticidealist's posting history.

I completely agree with you on this issue, but it may serve you some good to think of other people's perspectives on the issue and realize it isn't always as black and white as you think it is. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're a bigot/_____phobe. You don't know his reasoning, so you can't make that judgement. Also, do you really think you're going to convince anyone or win the debate by calling the opposing side trans phobic? That's not helping our side, you're only hurting us.

Given the user in question's posting history, it's pretty clear that he would agree with the idea that he posts transgender rights. And no, I'm not going to mince words just to protect the feelings of religious fundamentalists.

[Antonio the Sixth]

STOP ARGUING

[Kingpoleon]

STOP ARGUING

Actually this is the perfect thread for it, considering their arguments.

[RI]

Wow, people are still talking about his. Okay. Let's get some things straight:

I vehemently disagree with the medical establishment concerning the diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria. I further vehemently disagree with the linguistic distinction, categorization, and protection of gender as an individual trait that is not either subsumed by sex or personality. I further believe that sex is an immutable chromosomal fact that can not be changed by hormones or surgery. I acknowledge the existence of norms prescribed by society with regard to sexual distinction and believe them to have some basis in underlying trends but that they should not be forced upon an individual, nor should an individual should feel strictly beholden to them. I do not believe a disconnect between someone's personality and the societal norms of their sex comprise a valid basis for "transition" through hormones and surgery.

Additionally, I believe that this Balkanistic "essentialism" displayed by the modern left wherein an individual only amounts to the sum of their inherent labels and categories (cis/trans, gay/straight, abled/disabled, and the infinite progression of "genders" to describe every flavor of preference under the sun) is highly dangerous and self-destructive. This overcategorization denies the inherent dignity of each person as a unique individual and divides people unnecessarily. When we entrench the idea that people are only special if they have a unique skin color or sexual preference or mental disorder and only outside recognition of this label will fulfill them, we reject that truth that people are already special and unique regardless of category or label and that fulfillment only arrives through ourselves, not from others.

I believe these things independent of any religious basis.

I do not wish harm on any person. I harbor no hatred toward people who believe themselves to be transgender. In fact, I greatly pity the vast majority of them. I can only imagine the mental anguish they experience. However, I do not believe the "cure" society has proscribed is the best solution to their problem, and it represents an affront to what I understand to be the purpose of medicine and mental health and the nature of any objective reality.

If you wish to define this attitude as "transphobic" and use it as a bludgeon, that is your prerogative. I believe that doing so does not add to dialogue between opposing viewpoints and offers nothing of substance, but, then again, that does seem to be the point. It's far easier to just be outraged at everything and play martyr, after all. Know that in doing so, you accomplish nothing aside from patting yourself on the back and generating a roll of my eyes.

Regarding the nature of this thread, I believe it should be reserved for arguments made in bad faith, made with clear logical fallacies, which wish a direct and malicious harm on others. I believe this has historically been the purpose of this thread. If you wish for this to change, so be it, but the precedent for deeming a post "absurd or ignorant" based on individual disagreement poses a danger to open discourse and civility. If that is your desire, then I feel nothing but pity for the depth of your insecurity.

[Figueira]

Wow, people are still talking about his. Okay. Let's get some things straight:

I vehemently disagree with the medical establishment concerning the diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria. I further vehemently disagree with the linguistic distinction, categorization, and protection of gender as an individual trait that is not either subsumed by sex or personality. I further believe that sex is an immutable chromosomal fact that can not be changed by hormones or surgery. I acknowledge the existence of norms prescribed by society with regard to sexual distinction and believe them to have some basis in underlying trends but that they should not be forced upon an individual, nor should an individual should feel strictly beholden to them. I do not believe a disconnect between someone's personality and the societal norms of their sex comprise a valid basis for "transition" through hormones and surgery.

Additionally, I believe that this Balkanistic "essentialism" displayed by the modern left wherein an individual only amounts to the sum of their inherent labels and categories (cis/trans, gay/straight, abled/disabled, and the infinite progression of "genders" to describe every flavor of preference under the sun) is highly dangerous and self-destructive. This overcategorization denies the inherent dignity of each person as a unique individual and divides people unnecessarily. When we entrench the idea that people are only special if they have a unique skin color or sexual preference or mental disorder and only outside recognition of this label will fulfill them, we reject that truth that people are already special and unique regardless of category or label and that fulfillment only arrives through ourselves, not from others.

I believe these things independent of any religious basis.

I do not wish harm on any person. I harbor no hatred toward people who believe themselves to be transgender. In fact, I greatly pity the vast majority of them. I can only imagine the mental anguish they experience. However, I do not believe the "cure" society has proscribed is the best solution to their problem, and it represents an affront to what I understand to be the purpose of medicine and mental health and the nature of any objective reality.

If you wish to define this attitude as "transphobic" and use it as a bludgeon, that is your prerogative. I believe that doing so does not add to dialogue between opposing viewpoints and offers nothing of substance, but, then again, that does seem to be the point. It's far easier to just be outraged at everything and play martyr, after all. Know that in doing so, you accomplish nothing aside from patting yourself on the back and generating a roll of my eyes.

Regarding the nature of this thread, I believe it should be reserved for arguments made in bad faith, made with clear logical fallacies, which wish a direct and malicious harm on others. I believe this has historically been the purpose of this thread. If you wish for this to change, so be it, but the precedent for deeming a post "absurd or ignorant" based on individual disagreement poses a danger to open discourse and civility. If that is your desire, then I feel nothing but pity for the depth of your insecurity.

All I have to say is, you're a terrible, ignorant, and by your own admission anti-modern-medicine person just like the leader of the country whose flag is in your avatar, and you want to bully innocent, oppressed children into using bathrooms that are the opposite of their gender identity. If that isn't wishing harm on people, I don't know what is. Also if we're talking about logical fallacies, your entire second paragraph is a straw man.

Also I love how people have been using this thread to call out bigotry since day one, but as soon as I try to call out transphobia people lash out at me.

[This account no longer in use.]

Wow, people are still talking about his. Okay. Let's get some things straight:

I vehemently disagree with the medical establishment concerning the diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria. I further vehemently disagree with the linguistic distinction, categorization, and protection of gender as an individual trait that is not either subsumed by sex or personality. I further believe that sex is an immutable chromosomal fact that can not be changed by hormones or surgery. I acknowledge the existence of norms prescribed by society with regard to sexual distinction and believe them to have some basis in underlying trends but that they should not be forced upon an individual, nor should an individual should feel strictly beholden to them. I do not believe a disconnect between someone's personality and the societal norms of their sex comprise a valid basis for "transition" through hormones and surgery.

Additionally, I believe that this Balkanistic "essentialism" displayed by the modern left wherein an individual only amounts to the sum of their inherent labels and categories (cis/trans, gay/straight, abled/disabled, and the infinite progression of "genders" to describe every flavor of preference under the sun) is highly dangerous and self-destructive. This overcategorization denies the inherent dignity of each person as a unique individual and divides people unnecessarily. When we entrench the idea that people are only special if they have a unique skin color or sexual preference or mental disorder and only outside recognition of this label will fulfill them, we reject that truth that people are already special and unique regardless of category or label and that fulfillment only arrives through ourselves, not from others.

I believe these things independent of any religious basis.

I do not wish harm on any person. I harbor no hatred toward people who believe themselves to be transgender. In fact, I greatly pity the vast majority of them. I can only imagine the mental anguish they experience. However, I do not believe the "cure" society has proscribed is the best solution to their problem, and it represents an affront to what I understand to be the purpose of medicine and mental health and the nature of any objective reality.

If you wish to define this attitude as "transphobic" and use it as a bludgeon, that is your prerogative. I believe that doing so does not add to dialogue between opposing viewpoints and offers nothing of substance, but, then again, that does seem to be the point. It's far easier to just be outraged at everything and play martyr, after all. Know that in doing so, you accomplish nothing aside from patting yourself on the back and generating a roll of my eyes.

Regarding the nature of this thread, I believe it should be reserved for arguments made in bad faith, made with clear logical fallacies, which wish a direct and malicious harm on others. I believe this has historically been the purpose of this thread. If you wish for this to change, so be it, but the precedent for deeming a post "absurd or ignorant" based on individual disagreement poses a danger to open discourse and civility. If that is your desire, then I feel nothing but pity for the depth of your insecurity.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Wow, people are still talking about his. Okay. Let's get some things straight:

I vehemently disagree with the medical establishment concerning the diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria. I further vehemently disagree with the linguistic distinction, categorization, and protection of gender as an individual trait that is not either subsumed by sex or personality. I further believe that sex is an immutable chromosomal fact that can not be changed by hormones or surgery. I acknowledge the existence of norms prescribed by society with regard to sexual distinction and believe them to have some basis in underlying trends but that they should not be forced upon an individual, nor should an individual should feel strictly beholden to them. I do not believe a disconnect between someone's personality and the societal norms of their sex comprise a valid basis for "transition" through hormones and surgery.

Additionally, I believe that this Balkanistic "essentialism" displayed by the modern left wherein an individual only amounts to the sum of their inherent labels and categories (cis/trans, gay/straight, abled/disabled, and the infinite progression of "genders" to describe every flavor of preference under the sun) is highly dangerous and self-destructive. This overcategorization denies the inherent dignity of each person as a unique individual and divides people unnecessarily. When we entrench the idea that people are only special if they have a unique skin color or sexual preference or mental disorder and only outside recognition of this label will fulfill them, we reject that truth that people are already special and unique regardless of category or label and that fulfillment only arrives through ourselves, not from others.

I believe these things independent of any religious basis.

I do not wish harm on any person. I harbor no hatred toward people who believe themselves to be transgender. In fact, I greatly pity the vast majority of them. I can only imagine the mental anguish they experience. However, I do not believe the "cure" society has proscribed is the best solution to their problem, and it represents an affront to what I understand to be the purpose of medicine and mental health and the nature of any objective reality.

If you wish to define this attitude as "transphobic" and use it as a bludgeon, that is your prerogative. I believe that doing so does not add to dialogue between opposing viewpoints and offers nothing of substance, but, then again, that does seem to be the point. It's far easier to just be outraged at everything and play martyr, after all. Know that in doing so, you accomplish nothing aside from patting yourself on the back and generating a roll of my eyes.

Regarding the nature of this thread, I believe it should be reserved for arguments made in bad faith, made with clear logical fallacies, which wish a direct and malicious harm on others. I believe this has historically been the purpose of this thread. If you wish for this to change, so be it, but the precedent for deeming a post "absurd or ignorant" based on individual disagreement poses a danger to open discourse and civility. If that is your desire, then I feel nothing but pity for the depth of your insecurity.

All I have to say is, you're a terrible, ignorant, and by your own admission anti-modern-medicine person just like the leader of the country whose flag is in your avatar, and you want to bully innocent, oppressed children into using bathrooms that are the opposite of their gender identity. If that isn't wishing harm on people, I don't know what is. Also if we're talking about logical fallacies, your entire second paragraph is a straw man.

Also I love how people have been using this thread to call out bigotry since day one, but as soon as I try to call out transphobia people lash out at me.

If that's all you have to say, you haven't said anything useful.
How about instead of saying someone is ignorant explain what it is you think they don't know?  And try, instead of saying someone is "anti-modern-medicine," make a medical argument - and please no appeals to authority or the uncritical worship of technology.