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« Reply #1325 on: May 24, 2016, 06:39:49 AM »

Then Election 2016 is over.

1. TRUMP did surprisingly well of the Minorities of SurveyUSA CA Poll
Total 1383 LV (Page 5)
https://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/survey_usa_president_senate_052316.pdf

Hispanic(429 LV): TRUMP 35% | Hillary 51%
Asian(207 LV) : TRUMP 40% | Hillary 49%
Black(83 LV) : TRUMP 17% | Hillary 76%

2. if TRUMP gets similar Minorities Support at Nationwide,
Election 2016 it gonna be a landslide for him. something like

TRUMP 51.27% | Hillary 43.7% | Other Candidates 5%

if White voters: gonna be like TRUMP 60% Hillary 37% Other 3%

1) TRUMP
White(73%) x 60% + Black(12%) x 17% + Hispanic(10.5%) x 35%
+ Asian(3%) x 40% + Other(1.5%) x 40% = 51.27%

2) Hillary
White(73%) x 37% + Black(12%) x 76% + Hispanic(10.5%) x 51%
+ Asian(3%) x 49% + Other(1.5%) x 49% = 43.68%
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« Reply #1326 on: May 24, 2016, 08:40:34 AM »

If she were to somehow win, she'd run again, if she were not to have gotten impeached, because masons.
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« Reply #1327 on: May 24, 2016, 09:10:39 AM »

I want to point out that Hillary extremists hacks are apparently  running the Atlas forum.  This thread/story should be in the 2016 presidential section.   It has Clinton foundation corruption all over it.   It was moved here to bury it.
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« Reply #1328 on: May 24, 2016, 01:10:46 PM »

I want to point out that Hillary extremists hacks are apparently  running the Atlas forum.  This thread/story should be in the 2016 presidential section.   It has Clinton foundation corruption all over it.   It was moved here to bury it.
My god, I don't even know what to say about that.
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« Reply #1329 on: May 24, 2016, 02:30:26 PM »

I like the caucus system. You know that the people are informed instead of just sheeple. One of the major flaws of the caucus is relative lack of accessibility. I propose that people should be able to tele-caucus on iPads or something. That'd kill two birds with one stone, nearly eliminating the need for absentee and early ballots.

I predict a Bernie 55-41 win, although I don't care much altogether.
Trump over 70.
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« Reply #1330 on: May 24, 2016, 05:13:27 PM »

Context.

More taxpayer funding of corrupt partisan politics.
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« Reply #1331 on: May 26, 2016, 02:33:15 AM »

Context: Is Donald Trump the next Jimmy Carter?
They are both scum, so the comparison fits well in that sense too.
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« Reply #1332 on: May 26, 2016, 03:49:02 PM »

Had great family trip to Warmia-Masuria. Now, being exhausted and having by eyes bleeding, I'm off to bed.
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« Reply #1333 on: May 26, 2016, 09:11:03 PM »

Had great family trip to Warmia-Masuria. Now, being exhausted and having by eyes bleeding, I'm off to bed.

You're being too hard on yourself.  Not a bad post after all.
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« Reply #1334 on: May 27, 2016, 01:24:40 AM »

Had great family trip to Warmia-Masuria. Now, being exhausted and having by eyes bleeding, I'm off to bed.
is that considered part of  Eastern Poland?
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« Reply #1335 on: May 27, 2016, 06:00:21 AM »

Lol, that was supposed to go into update for everyone thread, but my brain was obviously on it's last legs.

@shua: actually, as post-German partition, it's not
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« Reply #1336 on: May 27, 2016, 03:23:19 PM »

1 - state that the democrat position on abortion is a historical aberration and that as the party of the small people - the weak and the helpless that she supports the Texas bill for restriction on all abortions after 20 weeks as a 'reasonable compromise'.

2 - state that Oberfell was wrongly decided and that the Democrat party should return to it's roots of representing America in general, not the special interests of a small band of urbanites.

3 - state that she'd appoint supreme court justices with the motivation to overturn both Oberfell and roe.

Running to the right of Trump would win her the election easily.

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« Reply #1337 on: May 27, 2016, 07:53:54 PM »

A cogent reminder of why this thread is titled for him.

It looks like a 3rd world country.  The left extremism is tearing the country apart.


The democratic party could and should be doing far more than it is to put down this kind of behavior.

You have the CANDIDATE. TRUMP HIMSELF!!!!!! Heartily encouraging physical violence against protesters and hecklers, and you want to blame THE DEMOCRATS for not doing enough?!?

Congratulations, you're both far, far beyond hacks or capable of making a salient point during intelligent discourse.

Go home and play with your blocks.

So Trump said a few things like "I wish someone would knock him out" and that's supposed to be morally equivalent to the democratic party's silence as thousands of people riot in the streets and commit countless acts of violence?

I only ever hear of violence from Trump's people as one-offs, someone throwing a punch every couple weeks.  That isn't at all equivalent to these gigantic, violent, destructive, illegal "protests" (they're riots, not protests) on the democratic party's side.  
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« Reply #1338 on: May 27, 2016, 10:09:47 PM »

Honestly not important. Asians are demographically moribund and not likely to become electorally relevant anytime soon.

Hispanic preferences might worry the GOP, but there's a lot of factors that are going to play into that (like assimilation) - and it's not clear that Trump will do worse than Romney.

Ok

It's really hard to express how badly Romney did with Hispanic voters. The vast majority of the small minority of Hispanics who stuck around to vote for Mitt Romney strongly strongly detest illegal immigration.

Hell, Romney probably lost many Hispanics who hated illegal immigration, because Obama didn't go totally pro-illegal until his 2nd term.

Wouldn't be surprised if Trump did BETTER than Romney just by consolidating the minority of Hispanic voters who hate illegal immigration.
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« Reply #1339 on: May 28, 2016, 09:55:22 PM »

Our thread's namesake is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

People insult the KKK all the time but although I too am white I don't feel personally offended or threatened by it.  Neither should hispanics feel personally offended or threatened by rhetoric against illegal immigration.  Both groups are criminal subsets of the population that just happen to be dominated by a particular ethnic group.  If someone went on TV and said the KKK were a bunch of rapists and murderers I would say, yes that's right they are, not go "oh no, he said something mean about some white people, all my white friends and family members are being threatened."  If hispanics insist on taking it to mean them anyway that's their problem, not Trump's.
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« Reply #1340 on: May 28, 2016, 10:56:30 PM »

Our thread's namesake is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

People insult the KKK all the time but although I too am white I don't feel personally offended or threatened by it.  Neither should hispanics feel personally offended or threatened by rhetoric against illegal immigration.  Both groups are criminal subsets of the population that just happen to be dominated by a particular ethnic group.  If someone went on TV and said the KKK were a bunch of rapists and murderers I would say, yes that's right they are, not go "oh no, he said something mean about some white people, all my white friends and family members are being threatened."  If hispanics insist on taking it to mean them anyway that's their problem, not Trump's.
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« Reply #1341 on: May 29, 2016, 12:52:01 AM »

In which hysterical fear of SJW's goes a bit ott:

Trump is Teddy Roosevelt with less likability and with an electorate that is less susceptible  to his off-color style (aka, unlike Teddy, he'll lose); the GOP wasn't like Trump/Roosevelt before, and it won't be like Trump after he's gone (just like it went back to normal after Teddy/Taft).

For the final time, until the Democrats offer a cozy home to affluent Whites and the business community, they're going to remain Republicans, regardless of infighting (there have always been factions, for Christ's sake) ... and the Democrats are NOT going to offer that sanctuary.  Period.  They are a party of the truly poor, minorities, government employees, public unions, academia and social justice warriors; not one of those groups is going to be okay with shifting in an even more neoliberal direction, as evidenced by the Democratic Party of 2016 arguing over how much taxes should go up, how much we should restrict free trade and how tough we should be on Wall Street.  Progressive economic thought is winning right now, and Trump is reacting (just like economic conservatism was winning in the '80s and '90s and Clinton reacted), but there's literally zero chance that the GOP moves further left than the Democrats.  Zero.  And that's what would have to happen for this realignment that some of you Dems are having wet dreams about.

For every move the GOP has made "left" fiscally, the Democrats are about ten steps ahead and show no signs of slowing down, even with (for some reason seen as at all moderate) Hillary.

I don't think Republicans will move left long term but Democrats will absolutely move right and it's already started. You see that in Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's opposition to free college because "then rich people will get free college too". Similarly, I've met many leftists and SJWs who think minimum wage laws shouldn't apply to small (ie immigrant and minority owned) businesses because they can't compete otherwise. There's been talk of means testing Social Security and when people discover that that means taking away benefits from White people, that talk will only get louder. Free trade is an odd one. That's like a Bernie personal opinion and a lot of his supporters cling to it because it demonstrates a concrete different he has with Hillary. Really though, polls show most Democrats support free trade. As the party becomes more foreign born and less union, those pro-free trade numbers will only increase.
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« Reply #1342 on: May 29, 2016, 02:04:45 PM »

Trump has always been saying that he will win NJ Pennsylvania and New York and put California in play.  How can you realistically see Trump win those states? I think that since ny is his home state and NJ has voted Republican in gubernatorial elections in 2009 and 2013 he might have a chance.

   One wildcard is the Hispanic vote in the urban areas in NJ and NY. These areas are dominated by machine politics like Hudson County in NJ.

Pennsylvania has always been struggling with job outsourcing and it has mines and steel. These people are fertile ground for Trump especially since Trump is a protectionist. 
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« Reply #1343 on: May 30, 2016, 02:20:17 AM »

just a literal goldmine of dumb

I think I know what he's trying to do. Think trickle down but with EV's. He's thinking if he wins normally blue states, he'll by default win their more swingy neighbors maybe because of his nationalized campaign?
Well, that's a really idiotic way of doing it...the New York and California media markets are two of the most expensive in the country.    Heck, NY and CA are just expensive to campaign in period...
It actually makes some sense in a truly nationalized campaign (that you are better than your opponent at) to not ignore EV gold mines... Also, winning the popular vote does have some effect on helping to win the EC for some reason (human connectivity or something).

An interesting thought, He isn't going to spend much money on TV anywhere... He wins TV without paying for it.  "Focus" is just that?  showing up and holding his mega rallies?  Internet resources? Hiring some people?

....West Virginia is on the map?Huh?  is he trying to get 100% of the vote?

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« Reply #1344 on: May 30, 2016, 07:43:12 AM »

Who can you think of that rings "good enough" with Sanders Supporters but wouldn't alienate the middle? Warren and Brown would alienate the middle. Sanders himself is probably fine with Kaine or Booker, but his supporters probably aren't. Names that come to mind are the Castros - but only because they're unknown and therefore have few enemies - and Al Franken, who doesn't bring in a single voter Hillary wouldn't get otherwise.

Bernie polls better with the middle than Hillary. The idea that she has to move even further right wing to win is so ridiculous and disgusting.

In a general election, while Bernie would continue to do well with Sawx-type independents who believe that the democratic party has abandoned "real leftism", he would see his numbers fall off dramatically with the independents who actually decide elections, the ones whose ideologies lie between the two major parties. The attack ads against Sanders, which have never been run because VT is socialist and the rest of the nation had no reason to care about him before 2015, write themselves. "Socialism! Isolationism! Destruction of the Health Care Industry!" His current 10 or 12 point lead against TRUMP? It would evaporate to a two or three point lead at most overnight, pretty much literally.

You've bought in way too much to the myth of the centrist swing voter who votes for the most centrist candidate. People know Bernie is a democratic socialist, and he's polling much better and has much better favorables than unethical lying Hillary. And sure, I wasn't going to vote for her anyways, but the further to the right Hillary goes, the more Bernie people she will lose.

Ultimately, even if they hold their nose in the voting booth, 85% or so of Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary, because the alternative is well, a literal fascist. The other 15% or so that vote for Stein, Johnson, TRUMP, or stay home probably didn't vote for Obama either so who cares.

How does one draw the line of literal fascist so that it includes Trump and not Hillary? That's a very fine line.
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« Reply #1345 on: June 01, 2016, 05:53:03 PM »

It says a lot about the current state of the European Union that an influx of ~1-1.5 million refugees, by all accounts a rather tiny proportion of the European population, has created a traumatic political crisis that's devouring the system. The United States managed to handle the Vietnamese and the Cuban refugees wave, which were on a somewhat similar scale relative to the proportion of the population, with relative ease in the past. Similarly, refugee crises in the past were handled admirably by Europe, of interest to this thread ought to be Greece's response to the influx of Albanian migrants in the 90s, the response to Somali refugees etc.

First of all both the Vietnamese and Cubans arrived in smaller number over a longer periode than the amount of refugees Germany alone received in 2015. Sweden have received more refugee than USA did in the Mariel boatlift, and it's a country with 1/30 of the American population. It's why we see the significant political crisis in those two countries over this, and moreso in Sweden than Germany.

Also right now USA take in 70 000 refugees annual. Which is why the American moral high ground on this point is built on hot air. In fact the numbers of Cuban and Vietnamese refugees USA have taken in are 300 000 and 800 000. As comparison Denmark received 7500 refugees in 2013 and 14700 in 2014 of which around half get asylum (3900 and 6100). Denmark have 1/60 the population of USA. When you make than calculation, it means that as percent of the population Denmark took around 25% more refugees (compared to populatio  size) in one year (before the refugee crisis) than USA have taken in Cubans over 50 years or 45% of the amount of Vietnamese USA have taken in.

...and here' the fun part Denmark are nowhere near Germany, Sweden or Austria in the amount of refugees these countries have taken.

Of course compared to the past Europe doesn't take many refugees. But it's because our treatment of those refugees in the past was cheaper and their future was clearer.. As example Denmark took in 250 000 Germany refugees in 1945 from Prussia (mostly women and children). They was placed in camps until they could be repatriated (which they mostly was by 1950).
Germany of course took in many more refugees, of course those refugees happened to be mostly Germans.

If we could place the refugees in permanent camps and be sure they could be repatriated in a few years (or at least leave Europe). Most European countries could take many more, but that's not what we're asked

Well, yes, that's my point. It's very unreasonable to expect Germany or Sweden or Austria to handle the amount of refugees that they've been receiving. However, the European Union was an attempt to, well, forge some sort of consensus on these matters and, as such, is clearly not functional nor purposeful if it cannot handle this kind of a "crisis" and distribute/share refugees in an equitable fashion. After all, it is a kind of state and there cannot be a common labor market with something approaching open borders without common agreement on refugee issues. That's all that I'm saying. I have no moral high ground, of course,  I'm just pointing out the obvious here, I suppose.

However, it is equally foolish to expect Saudi Arabia or Qatar to be able to handle the number of refugees that many far-right idiots expect them to handle. For one, I do not understand why the so-called advocates of "Western values" want to push refugees into the clutches of despicable states ruled by barbaric despots. Secondly, it would almost certainly be a disaster: why would pushing refugees into slum-like camps in Saudi Arabia or Qatar or the UAE where they'd be treated as third-class citizens and probably pushed into slave-labor result in anything good? In all likelihood, that would create further instability in the Middle East and could plunge the region into chaos, especially if the imams/clerics decided to break with the House of Saud, which could happen with recent economic proposals of the upstart princes. That would be no good at all!

"Western values" are just a buzz words which really means a lot of different things to different people. So let me translate.

It means; "we're not interested in making our societies worse to help a bunch of people, who we don't really have any reason to like".

If these refugees came across as more likable, the opposition to let these in would be a lot smaller. There was not the same opposition to take in refugees under the Cold War, and the reason we see opposition now and specific with Muslims, is because decades of interaction with these people have lead to contempt and disgust.
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« Reply #1346 on: June 01, 2016, 08:10:24 PM »

  It will be a hate crime to be a white opposite sex married couple within 10 years.
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« Reply #1347 on: June 01, 2016, 08:13:21 PM »

Treasonous George Takei should have been deported in 1942, he has to go back. Bad!
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« Reply #1348 on: June 02, 2016, 11:11:37 AM »

Treasonous George Takei should have been deported in 1942, he has to go back. Bad!

The follow-up:

Everyone knows that I have an amazing relationship with the Japanese people. I have so many wonderful Japanese friends who call me and say "clash, you're doing a great job." I love the spirit of the Japanese people but when Japan sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing degeneracy. They’re bringing anime. They’re lolicons. And some, I assume, are good people.
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« Reply #1349 on: June 02, 2016, 10:50:29 PM »

  It will be a hate crime to be a white opposite sex married couple within 10 years.
Someone's been reading too many fake SJW troll blogs lately.
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