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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2014, 02:42:58 AM »

Because I think that a majority of people (Democrats, Republicans and otherwise) got intellectually lazy a long time ago and just assumed that she was going to be the nominee without even bothering to consider that there might be other people out there. I think that that assumption might have created a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't buy that she's the best shot that Democrats have. I think that a left-populist that ran an anti-Wall Street campaign would in some ways be more popular. The problem is that there is no real liberal equivalent of the Tea Party to challenge her and be uncompromising from the left.
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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2014, 01:44:03 PM »

Because, just like Obama, being a woman in the outclass, is a huge advantage, just as the case for blacks.  However, she was traumatised by domestic sexual event
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« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2014, 02:05:53 PM »

People seem to of forgotten the 2008 Primaries, she lost them for several reasons...
-she saw the Democratic nomination as her right, and expected major figures (Kennedy, Richardson) to endorse her straight away
-Her weakness in Iowa
-Stupid comments about Obama (comparing him to Kennedy in 68 and saying 'we all knew what happened to him'')
-Thinking Experience=Success in politics
-Underestimating the desire for someone who isn't a Bush or a Clinton
-Being a major hawk

If she can get past these issues in 2016 then she'll be fine-I expect that Warren or Cuomo could take hit out of her. People almost see Obama's 2008 campaign as divine intervention when in fact it was Clinton's to lose
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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2014, 02:20:31 PM »

She is vulnerable to Biden and Webb, not to Cuomo and Warren, who will fuse among themselves should they win the nomination.

Either way, unlike the G O P primary, who Rand Paul or Ted Cruz who are very opposed to nominating Jeb, the Dems will unite to win in 2016.

But, either way, she has grown through her experience as SOS and traveling the global since 2008 and I fully expect her to do very well. But, any of the three are better than Romney, Christie or Jeb.
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2014, 02:50:43 PM »

How has she grown? What did she achieve as secretary of state? Bundled intervention in Libya leaving the country in chaos? No attempt at Israeli-Palestine peace (something Kerry tried) 

She holds identical views from 2008 apart from jumping on the gay marriage bandwagon
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« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2014, 03:37:59 PM »

Jeb like Bush father and brother Dubya has had a China first policy. Surely, she has adopted a cordial relarionship on the part of China, as far as trade as concerned.

Benghanzi and Mideast crisis did her no good.

But the torture report opened the door once again to closing of Guantanemo, Cuba, which will be inhanced once the Cuban embargo is lifted, does Jeb no favors either.
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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2014, 03:58:57 PM »

If there is a Democrat,  that as a Republican I'd prefer, Hillary has to fill the bill.  She has much more experience than any other Democrat and beats various Republicans in the experienced stakes. However, that doesn't mean she is a slam dunk...look at Nixon in 1960,  Ford in 1976, Bush in 1992, Gore in 2000 or McCain in 2008, they all lost to less experienced candidates. So experience can at the best of times be of very little benefit, especially if the challenger has a compelling message.
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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2014, 04:10:17 PM »

If at all else, Clinton, not Obama, is the transformative figure, in today's Democratic party.
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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2014, 04:15:59 PM »

Because she's not officially running for office yet.  Once she starts acting in both word and deed as a candidate, people will start thinking of her as "Candidate Hillary" rather than "Secretary Hillary", and her popularity will correspondingly go down (particularly any crossover appeal she has now).

That's already happened. Her favorability ratings haven't been sky high for quite a while now.

It'll happen some more.
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« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2014, 04:54:23 PM »

People seem to of forgotten the 2008 Primaries, she lost them for several reasons...
-she saw the Democratic nomination as her right, and expected major figures (Kennedy, Richardson) to endorse her straight away
-Her weakness in Iowa
-Stupid comments about Obama (comparing him to Kennedy in 68 and saying 'we all knew what happened to him'')
-Thinking Experience=Success in politics
-Underestimating the desire for someone who isn't a Bush or a Clinton
-Being a major hawk

If she can get past these issues in 2016 then she'll be fine-I expect that Warren or Cuomo could take hit out of her. People almost see Obama's 2008 campaign as divine intervention when in fact it was Clinton's to lose

2008 is a lazy, surface level comparison that doesn't actually look at the facts. I highly suggest you read these articles:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/01/remember-when-nobody-gave-obama-a-chance-to-beat-clinton-never-happened/

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-iowa-2016/

If you don't feel like reading the articles, then Steve Kornacki can explain the difference for you:

http://youtu.be/7rKtkZT5EFI

Also, Cuomo? LMFAO! The guy can't break 1% in the polls, and barely cracked 60% in the New York primary against some random law professor. Hillary would thrash him both in NY and nationwide. He knows that, and that's why he's sitting out if she runs.
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« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2014, 04:56:40 PM »

Because she's not officially running for office yet.  Once she starts acting in both word and deed as a candidate, people will start thinking of her as "Candidate Hillary" rather than "Secretary Hillary", and her popularity will correspondingly go down (particularly any crossover appeal she has now).

That's already happened. Her favorability ratings haven't been sky high for quite a while now.

It'll happen some more.

I doubt it. The low hanging fruit (Republicans and conservative Indies who approved of her a non-partisan SoS) has already been picked. In order for her to fall significantly more they'd need to lower her ~90% favorability among Democrats.
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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2014, 01:59:54 AM »

Beauty and brains too!!!

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« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2014, 03:21:57 AM »
« Edited: December 29, 2014, 03:39:07 AM by Blair2015 »

People seem to of forgotten the 2008 Primaries, she lost them for several reasons...
-she saw the Democratic nomination as her right, and expected major figures (Kennedy, Richardson) to endorse her straight away
-Her weakness in Iowa
-Stupid comments about Obama (comparing him to Kennedy in 68 and saying 'we all knew what happened to him'')
-Thinking Experience=Success in politics
-Underestimating the desire for someone who isn't a Bush or a Clinton
-Being a major hawk

If she can get past these issues in 2016 then she'll be fine-I expect that Warren or Cuomo could take hit out of her. People almost see Obama's 2008 campaign as divine intervention when in fact it was Clinton's to lose

2008 is a lazy, surface level comparison that doesn't actually look at the facts. I highly suggest you read these articles:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/01/remember-when-nobody-gave-obama-a-chance-to-beat-clinton-never-happened/

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-iowa-2016/



After reading Game Changer, the book that is virtually just covering the democratic primaries it's clear that there were a lot of issues with her 2008 candidacy, the arrogance of her entire campaign and her expectation that she'd get endorsed by the big guns-let alone her comments comparing Obama to Bobby Kennedy which is low remark considering she held RFK's seat.

I'd vote democrat at nearly every presidental election but I'd have doubts about Hiliary. She's a neocon Hawk who thinks she owns the democratic party; we can't have a coronation in 2016. Hilary needs to face an actual challenge. In 2007 apart from Edwards Hiliary didn't face much of a challenge yet she blew it;as this article puts it ''She had everything going for her. The most famous name in politics. A solid lead in the polls. A war chest of at least $133 million.'' Look at the comments made by Penn in the 2008 campaign saying that 'Obama isn't American enough, that he's unelectable''

I just think there's a great amount of arrogance in some democrats who think that she should just be able to walk into the 2016 primaries and pick up the nomination on the basis of experience-as I said before what did she do as SOS apart from pushing for attacks on Syria and Libya that appear to have backfired in both cases
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« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2014, 05:53:58 AM »

People seem to of forgotten the 2008 Primaries, she lost them for several reasons...
-she saw the Democratic nomination as her right, and expected major figures (Kennedy, Richardson) to endorse her straight away
-Her weakness in Iowa
-Stupid comments about Obama (comparing him to Kennedy in 68 and saying 'we all knew what happened to him'')
-Thinking Experience=Success in politics
-Underestimating the desire for someone who isn't a Bush or a Clinton
-Being a major hawk

If she can get past these issues in 2016 then she'll be fine-I expect that Warren or Cuomo could take hit out of her. People almost see Obama's 2008 campaign as divine intervention when in fact it was Clinton's to lose

2008 is a lazy, surface level comparison that doesn't actually look at the facts. I highly suggest you read these articles:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/01/remember-when-nobody-gave-obama-a-chance-to-beat-clinton-never-happened/

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-iowa-2016/



After reading Game Changer, the book that is virtually just covering the democratic primaries it's clear that there were a lot of issues with her 2008 candidacy, the arrogance of her entire campaign and her expectation that she'd get endorsed by the big guns-let alone her comments comparing Obama to Bobby Kennedy which is low remark considering she held RFK's seat.

I'd vote democrat at nearly every presidental election but I'd have doubts about Hiliary. She's a neocon Hawk who thinks she owns the democratic party; we can't have a coronation in 2016. Hilary needs to face an actual challenge. In 2007 apart from Edwards Hiliary didn't face much of a challenge yet she blew it;as this article puts it ''She had everything going for her. The most famous name in politics. A solid lead in the polls. A war chest of at least $133 million.'' Look at the comments made by Penn in the 2008 campaign saying that 'Obama isn't American enough, that he's unelectable''

I just think there's a great amount of arrogance in some democrats who think that she should just be able to walk into the 2016 primaries and pick up the nomination on the basis of experience-as I said before what did she do as SOS apart from pushing for attacks on Syria and Libya that appear to have backfired in both cases

Hillary's 2008 campaign had issues, there's no doubt about it, but I don't really see how that's relevant. My point was that her position in 2006/2007 is in no way comparable to her position now. She trailed in Iowa most of the time in the 2008 cycle, now she leads there by 40-50 points. Her lead nationally was 20 points at the highest (but usually lower), compared to her 50 point leads now. In 2008 she was the frontrunner but not unstoppable. In 2016, she's completely dominant and inevitable. That's why nobody of any serious stature is going to challenge her. That's why the rank and file, the establishment, and the elected officials are all lining up behind her. Nobody's forcing Hillary down anyone's throat. If the voters didn't want Hillary she wouldn't be polling at 60%+ and have 90%+ favorability among Democrats.
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« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2014, 06:43:28 AM »

People seem to of forgotten the 2008 Primaries, she lost them for several reasons...
-she saw the Democratic nomination as her right, and expected major figures (Kennedy, Richardson) to endorse her straight away
-Her weakness in Iowa
-Stupid comments about Obama (comparing him to Kennedy in 68 and saying 'we all knew what happened to him'')
-Thinking Experience=Success in politics
-Underestimating the desire for someone who isn't a Bush or a Clinton
-Being a major hawk

If she can get past these issues in 2016 then she'll be fine-I expect that Warren or Cuomo could take hit out of her. People almost see Obama's 2008 campaign as divine intervention when in fact it was Clinton's to lose

2008 is a lazy, surface level comparison that doesn't actually look at the facts. I highly suggest you read these articles:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/01/remember-when-nobody-gave-obama-a-chance-to-beat-clinton-never-happened/

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-iowa-2016/



After reading Game Changer, the book that is virtually just covering the democratic primaries it's clear that there were a lot of issues with her 2008 candidacy, the arrogance of her entire campaign and her expectation that she'd get endorsed by the big guns-let alone her comments comparing Obama to Bobby Kennedy which is low remark considering she held RFK's seat.

I'd vote democrat at nearly every presidental election but I'd have doubts about Hiliary. She's a neocon Hawk who thinks she owns the democratic party; we can't have a coronation in 2016. Hilary needs to face an actual challenge. In 2007 apart from Edwards Hiliary didn't face much of a challenge yet she blew it;as this article puts it ''She had everything going for her. The most famous name in politics. A solid lead in the polls. A war chest of at least $133 million.'' Look at the comments made by Penn in the 2008 campaign saying that 'Obama isn't American enough, that he's unelectable''

I just think there's a great amount of arrogance in some democrats who think that she should just be able to walk into the 2016 primaries and pick up the nomination on the basis of experience-as I said before what did she do as SOS apart from pushing for attacks on Syria and Libya that appear to have backfired in both cases

Hillary's 2008 campaign had issues, there's no doubt about it, but I don't really see how that's relevant. My point was that her position in 2006/2007 is in no way comparable to her position now. She trailed in Iowa most of the time in the 2008 cycle, now she leads there by 40-50 points. Her lead nationally was 20 points at the highest (but usually lower), compared to her 50 point leads now. In 2008 she was the frontrunner but not unstoppable. In 2016, she's completely dominant and inevitable. That's why nobody of any serious stature is going to challenge her. That's why the rank and file, the establishment, and the elected officials are all lining up behind her. Nobody's forcing Hillary down anyone's throat. If the voters didn't want Hillary she wouldn't be polling at 60%+ and have 90%+ favorability among Democrats.

Reading over my post it's clear I let my own views come a bit too much, I should give HRC more credit.

I agree that her 2006 position in Iowa was weak but she still had a massive overall lead. Her campaign considered skipping Iowa all together because she was poor there ( a state that only recently elected it's first female senator) Point I was trying to make is that she was seen as the establishment favorite in 2006 and was expected to get the nomination in a weak field (apart from Obama)

We'll just have to see what happens in the Primary, I know that a lot of progressives don't want Hilary but unless they can draft Warren I can't see anyone who could rally around the progressive base.  I get that Hiliary is going to most likely win in 2016 but you know a lot can change in politics. Everyone remembers President Ed Muskie in '72 right?

The one thing in HRC's favour is that they're aren't any big democrats on the scene apart from Biden. A lot of them will be looking for the new cycle to do well
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« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2014, 04:07:40 PM »

After reading Game Changer, the book that is virtually just covering the democratic primaries it's clear that there were a lot of issues with her 2008 candidacy, the arrogance of her entire campaign and her expectation that she'd get endorsed by the big guns-let alone her comments comparing Obama to Bobby Kennedy which is low remark considering she held RFK's seat.

That was a bulls**t controversy. She at no point suggested Obama was going to be shot or she was staying in the race in case he got shot. She was asked by a reporter why she was still in the race, and she pointed out that past primaries always dragged into June -- two examples she cited were '92, when her husband and Jerry Brown contested the CA primary, and '68, which, she mentioned, everyone remembers because of the association with RFK's death. That was it. The media, including many liberals, were trolling the Clintons full-time by that stage, so they took that and blew it up to "Hillary: I'm hanging in in case the black guy gets shot." I think even in Game Change, it's sort of acknowledged that this was unfair.
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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2016, 10:23:37 AM »

Remember those halcyon days when threads like this were being made?

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2016, 10:42:48 AM »

She's smart, ridiculously experienced, and extremely good at doing her job, which gives her supporters a high degree of confidence that if she wins she'll be a very strong president.  Furthermore, after twenty-five years of phony Clinton scandals that never amounted to anything more than Bill getting a blowjob once, there's a rally-round-the-flag effect whenever the Republicans try more "where there's smoke there's fire" shenanigans.  So where you may look at things like Benghazi, emails emails emails, Clinton Foundation, and Hillary-is-dying and say "wow that's a lot of baggage for one person how can anyone still like her?", people like me say "ugh enough already" and just support her more because it's like, nope nope you're not gonna talk me out of liking her with this kind of crap.
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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2016, 11:01:50 AM »

Remember those halcyon days when threads like this were being made?

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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2016, 11:11:48 AM »

Because she's not officially running for office yet.  Once she starts acting in both word and deed as a candidate, people will start thinking of her as "Candidate Hillary" rather than "Secretary Hillary", and her popularity will correspondingly go down (particularly any crossover appeal she has now).

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« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2016, 11:19:19 AM »

Whether or not she can retain her popularity throughout the next year and a half, as Republicans will no doubt sling a lot of mud her way, is a different matter entirely.

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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2016, 11:20:46 AM »

Because she's not officially running for office yet.  Once she starts acting in both word and deed as a candidate, people will start thinking of her as "Candidate Hillary" rather than "Secretary Hillary", and her popularity will correspondingly go down (particularly any crossover appeal she has now).

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« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2016, 02:13:49 AM »

Because she's not officially running for office yet.  Once she starts acting in both word and deed as a candidate, people will start thinking of her as "Candidate Hillary" rather than "Secretary Hillary", and her popularity will correspondingly go down (particularly any crossover appeal she has now).

That's already happened. Her favorability ratings haven't been sky high for quite a while now.

It'll happen some more.

Called it, although it happened even more than I thought, but she had Donald Trump to allow her to almost win.
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« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2016, 12:04:21 PM »
« Edited: December 24, 2016, 12:07:37 PM by putins lapdog »

She's an inspirational figure and our best shot at winning the White House in 2016, and most if not all of her views align and resonate with a majority of the party.

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I may be laughing, but reading all this nonsense by the Hillbots trying to convince themselves she is a good candidate, a real progressive (not even close), or a genuine person for that matter is sad.  And unfortunately it led to a clown like Trump becoming the next president.

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« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2016, 12:26:35 PM »

She's an inspirational figure and our best shot at winning the White House in 2016, and most if not all of her views align and resonate with a majority of the party.

hahahahahahahahaha
I may be laughing, but reading all this nonsense by the Hillbots trying to convince themselves she is a good candidate, a real progressive (not even close), or a genuine person for that matter is sad.  And unfortunately it led to a clown like Trump becoming the next president.



Unlike your crackpot candidate her views did indeed align with the majority of the party. Enjoy getting thrashed even harder in the 2020 primary!
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