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« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2015, 04:37:25 PM »


Lamar Alexander is an interesting out of the box choice that makes a good deal of sense to me. Kind of the Republican Biden except without a chronic foot-in-mouth syndrome.
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2015, 06:11:04 PM »


Both V.P nominees from New Mexico?

Heinrich would be nice as he is a scientist (mechanical engineer).

My thought was that Walker picks Martinez first (since the opposition party usually does) and then Clinton picks Heinreich. It's pretty logical for both of them. A republican nominee needs to show that they aren't entirely the party of old white men and Hillary needs a younger running mate. Heinreich seems like the most natural choice.

Congressman Ben Ray Lujan is also a wild card possibility, ironically also a New Mexican.

1.I can't see Walker picking another governor.  With foreign policy rising in importance among voters (of course the election is still two years off),  I think he'd need to pick a senator with foreign policy experience (hence Corker).


If he was to pick a senator I think that Portman would be more likely to help him in Ohio.




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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2015, 07:49:45 PM »

The likeliest match-up is Clinton/ Castro VS Paul/ Walker

What makes Paul more likely to win the nomination than any other Republican? And for VPs, we're all pretty much shooting in the dark anyway. We really have no idea what factors the specific person will be looking for. And someone who looks good on paper could still fail the vetting process or decline the offer.
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2015, 02:37:30 PM »

The likeliest match-up is Clinton/ Castro VS Paul/ Walker

What makes Paul more likely to win the nomination than any other Republican? And for VPs, we're all pretty much shooting in the dark anyway. We really have no idea what factors the specific person will be looking for. And someone who looks good on paper could still fail the vetting process or decline the offer.
I don't think Paul's more likely to win than any other Republican. Jeb and Christie are probably likelier to win, but I think Walker's a more obvious fit for Paul than any specific individual is for Jeb or Christie.
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2015, 02:47:18 PM »

Clinton/Webb vs. Christie/Kasich
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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2015, 04:56:17 PM »


Locke provides three distinct advantages that a Clinton ticket lacks. Executive experience (he was a governor), business experience (he was secretary of Commerce) and successful foreign policy experience (ambassador to China). Plus he'd break another glass ceiling as the first Asian American VP. He's old though, and will never be a rock star. Castro is being groomed so I suspect she'll pick him.

As for Rubio being a half wit, while I disagree, it's irrelevant. For God's sake, Joe Biden is our vice president right now. Rubio provides great optics, had foreign policy experience (which, as another poster noted, a two governor ticket lacks) and helps in Florida. But given the opportunity to pick a Mexican American female governor, my bet is Walker goes with Martinez.

1.Executive experience: Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State

2.Business experience: Hillary Clinton was a partner at the Rose Law firm as well as being on the boards of over 10 companies, though her association at some of those companies is not something she seems to like to bring up, just as John Kerry did not ever bring up his successful ownership of a gourmet cookie store likely because of the rather sleazy way he started the company.  (He pretended he was interested in becoming an owner of a major cookie store franchise business, took the business plan and opened his own store).

3."succesful" foreign policy experience.  Hillary Rodham Clinton is often sited by polls as one of the best recent Secretaries of State.
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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2015, 04:58:32 PM »

The likeliest match-up is Clinton/ Castro VS Paul/ Walker

I think Democrats tried to build a running mate for Clinton by giving Castro a cabinet post, given the paucity of Hispanic statewide officeholders. A younger western Hispanic guy is probably the best match for her. He also backed her in 2008, and is a protege of one of a former Bill Clinton cabinet secretary, which is a big deal because the Clintons are horrible, petty and insular people.

If that was the case, Castro would have received a cabinet post that more people care about than HUD.  Transporation would have been a better choice and that went to another mayor, Anthony Foxx.
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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2015, 05:38:39 PM »


Locke provides three distinct advantages that a Clinton ticket lacks. Executive experience (he was a governor), business experience (he was secretary of Commerce) and successful foreign policy experience (ambassador to China). Plus he'd break another glass ceiling as the first Asian American VP. He's old though, and will never be a rock star. Castro is being groomed so I suspect she'll pick him.

As for Rubio being a half wit, while I disagree, it's irrelevant. For God's sake, Joe Biden is our vice president right now. Rubio provides great optics, had foreign policy experience (which, as another poster noted, a two governor ticket lacks) and helps in Florida. But given the opportunity to pick a Mexican American female governor, my bet is Walker goes with Martinez.

1.Executive experience: Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State

2.Business experience: Hillary Clinton was a partner at the Rose Law firm as well as being on the boards of over 10 companies, though her association at some of those companies is not something she seems to like to bring up, just as John Kerry did not ever bring up his successful ownership of a gourmet cookie store likely because of the rather sleazy way he started the company.  (He pretended he was interested in becoming an owner of a major cookie store franchise business, took the business plan and opened his own store).

3."succesful" foreign policy experience.  Hillary Rodham Clinton is often sited by polls as one of the best recent Secretaries of State.

1) I assume by executive they meant-governor. Not that this is much of an issue-people tend to vote for senator/governors it's only congressman who could struggle at the top of the ticket.

2) As you say HRC doesn't need any business links-wall street already love her, and as warren said why do we need people in government who've come straight from business.

3) Eh? What polls? I'd say that Dulles, Marshall and Kissinger were much more effective than Clinton, and actually shaped foreign policy away from the President (in a sense) HRC didn't achieve much as SOS apart from pushing to Libya intervention


Now onto the tickets

Clinton/Castro. Unless something comes in the Vetting or if Hilary has promised it to someone else I can't see it going to anyone else-Castro seems made for it, only concern is his lack of experience tied into Clintons age

Romney/Jindal. Have a hunch that Romney will enter late into the primaries, and win after establishment candiates like Bush and Christie fall
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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2015, 05:42:46 PM »

Clinton/Castro (or Hickenlooper) vs. Walker/Rodgers
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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2015, 06:12:42 PM »


1) I assume by executive they meant-governor. Not that this is much of an issue-people tend to vote for senator/governors it's only congressman who could struggle at the top of the ticket.

2) As you say HRC doesn't need any business links-wall street already love her, and as warren said why do we need people in government who've come straight from business.

3) Eh? What polls? I'd say that Dulles, Marshall and Kissinger were much more effective than Clinton, and actually shaped foreign policy away from the President (in a sense) HRC didn't achieve much as SOS apart from pushing to Libya intervention


I'd say being Secretary of State also counts as executive experience.

Dulles may have been 'effective' he was also one of the most evil people ever in public life, both he and his brother were absolute slime.  Kissinger, though his record is more mixed, is also implicated in mass murder.

Also, a minor point but I did say 'recent' and I didn't mean to include either Dulles or Marshall.

Regarding the polls on Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State.  Here is one, there are likely several more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-remains-popular-for-her-time-as-secretary-of-state-viewed-apart-from-obama/2014/06/07/4bad6e62-ea61-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html

or: http://tinyurl.com/nfcc37u

June 8 2014
Hillary Rodham Clinton retains broad public support for her performance as secretary of state, a sign that President Obama’s struggles abroad and Republican attacks over Benghazi have not been a major drag on her reputation.

Clinton left office 1 1 / 2 years ago as the most popular outgoing secretary in recent memory, and 59 percent of the public still approve of her tenure, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll this month. That dipped from 68 percent in late 2012, but 67 percent call her a strong leader in the most recent survey.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2015, 12:52:37 PM »


1) I assume by executive they meant-governor. Not that this is much of an issue-people tend to vote for senator/governors it's only congressman who could struggle at the top of the ticket.

2) As you say HRC doesn't need any business links-wall street already love her, and as warren said why do we need people in government who've come straight from business.

3) Eh? What polls? I'd say that Dulles, Marshall and Kissinger were much more effective than Clinton, and actually shaped foreign policy away from the President (in a sense) HRC didn't achieve much as SOS apart from pushing to Libya intervention


I'd say being Secretary of State also counts as executive experience.

Dulles may have been 'effective' he was also one of the most evil people ever in public life, both he and his brother were absolute slime.  Kissinger, though his record is more mixed, is also implicated in mass murder.

Also, a minor point but I did say 'recent' and I didn't mean to include either Dulles or Marshall.

Regarding the polls on Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State.  Here is one, there are likely several more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-remains-popular-for-her-time-as-secretary-of-state-viewed-apart-from-obama/2014/06/07/4bad6e62-ea61-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html

or: http://tinyurl.com/nfcc37u

June 8 2014
Hillary Rodham Clinton retains broad public support for her performance as secretary of state, a sign that President Obama’s struggles abroad and Republican attacks over Benghazi have not been a major drag on her reputation.

Clinton left office 1 1 / 2 years ago as the most popular outgoing secretary in recent memory, and 59 percent of the public still approve of her tenure, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll this month. That dipped from 68 percent in late 2012, but 67 percent call her a strong leader in the most recent survey.

I'm aware that both Kissinger and Dulles were complete bastards who could easily be in jail, but that's what happens when you're a cold war secretary of state-if you look at the 50's and 70's that's when the US was doing most effectively around the world.

I'm still skepitcal of Clinton's secretary of state record, she's popular sure but its what 2 years later?
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2015, 07:45:47 PM »


1) I assume by executive they meant-governor. Not that this is much of an issue-people tend to vote for senator/governors it's only congressman who could struggle at the top of the ticket.

2) As you say HRC doesn't need any business links-wall street already love her, and as warren said why do we need people in government who've come straight from business.

3) Eh? What polls? I'd say that Dulles, Marshall and Kissinger were much more effective than Clinton, and actually shaped foreign policy away from the President (in a sense) HRC didn't achieve much as SOS apart from pushing to Libya intervention


I'd say being Secretary of State also counts as executive experience.

Dulles may have been 'effective' he was also one of the most evil people ever in public life, both he and his brother were absolute slime.  Kissinger, though his record is more mixed, is also implicated in mass murder.

Also, a minor point but I did say 'recent' and I didn't mean to include either Dulles or Marshall.

Regarding the polls on Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State.  Here is one, there are likely several more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-remains-popular-for-her-time-as-secretary-of-state-viewed-apart-from-obama/2014/06/07/4bad6e62-ea61-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html

or: http://tinyurl.com/nfcc37u

June 8 2014
Hillary Rodham Clinton retains broad public support for her performance as secretary of state, a sign that President Obama’s struggles abroad and Republican attacks over Benghazi have not been a major drag on her reputation.

Clinton left office 1 1 / 2 years ago as the most popular outgoing secretary in recent memory, and 59 percent of the public still approve of her tenure, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll this month. That dipped from 68 percent in late 2012, but 67 percent call her a strong leader in the most recent survey.

I'm aware that both Kissinger and Dulles were complete bastards who could easily be in jail, but that's what happens when you're a cold war secretary of state-if you look at the 50's and 70's that's when the US was doing most effectively around the world.

I'm still skepitcal of Clinton's secretary of state record, she's popular sure but its what 2 years later?

Kissinger, to his credit, is credited with holding in Nixon's excesses on foreign policy.  Although Nixon's defenders state that he would often just spout insane ideas to let off steam.
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2015, 09:11:56 PM »

Clinton/Kaine vs. Walker/Haley or Bush/Haley

Kaine has a executive experience was a Governor and now a Senator of a crucial swing state, has already been vetted, speaks fluently in Spanish and was a former Catholic missionary. I think Kaine will play very Latino voters and his fluency in Spanish would be very helpful if Jeb is the nominee. Many people on here forget neither Castro is fluent in Spanish so they'd be pretty useless beyond their heritage. On Haley she's a solid conservative and Tea Party sweetheart if Jeb is the nominee he will need someone like her to please the base. Martinez is too moderate to be the ticket her comments on Obamacare and stances on immigration will haunt her.
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2015, 12:35:10 PM »

Walker/Ayotte
Clinton/Reed

Could see Reed getting a cabinet post, so alternate prediction is Clinton/Kaine.

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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2015, 01:19:59 PM »

I'm beginning to think that Pence or Kasich are going to swoop in and take it while the obvious choices are killing each other. I think Ayotte is the frontrunner for VP.

and probably Clinton/Castro.
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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2015, 05:39:34 PM »

I'm beginning to think that Pence or Kasich are going to swoop in and take it while the obvious choices are killing each other. I think Ayotte is the frontrunner for VP.

and probably Clinton/Castro.

Ayotte will be running for reelection in 2016, I highly doubt she will be on any ticket.
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« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2015, 11:25:29 AM »

I'm beginning to think that Pence or Kasich are going to swoop in and take it while the obvious choices are killing each other. I think Ayotte is the frontrunner for VP.

and probably Clinton/Castro.

Ayotte will be running for reelection in 2016, I highly doubt she will be on any ticket.

Couldn't she be like Bentsen and Biden and do both?
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« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2015, 01:05:07 PM »

I'm beginning to think that Pence or Kasich are going to swoop in and take it while the obvious choices are killing each other. I think Ayotte is the frontrunner for VP.

and probably Clinton/Castro.

Ayotte will be running for reelection in 2016, I highly doubt she will be on any ticket.

Couldn't she be like Bentsen and Biden and do both?

Bentsen and Biden were extremely popular in their home states in 1988 and 2008 respectively, and so could still win reelection even without doing any campaigning in the state.  Is Ayotte really so popular in New Hampshire that she could get away with "hedging her bets" in the same way?  I doubt it.
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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2015, 09:04:30 PM »

I think Walker will be the nominee and I'm going to stick with that. Jeb will flame out his views on CC, immigration, and investments are just too much.
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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2015, 12:30:30 PM »

Hillary Clinton/Cory Booker and Jeb Bush/Rand Paul
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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2015, 05:26:32 PM »

Democrat: Clinton/Brown

Republican: Walker/Martinez
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2015, 05:46:58 PM »

Hillary/Hickenlooper - Democrats. Hillary's run and Democratic nomination for President is inevitable, and I think there's a strong chance she picks Hickenlooper. Hillary needs someone from out West on her ticket, especially Colorado. And Hickenlooper would be a good running mate. He meets the young/male quota, executive experience, and being able to survive elections in two GOP waves in a row looks good for him. There's also the fact that the Clinton's are good friends with Hickenlooper and helped stump for him last year.

Walker/Rubio - Republicans. Walker has an impressive resume, he's bound to have a strong donor base, and he's one of few candidates who can win over the support of the establishment and far-right. It was a tough call on whether he would pick Rubio or Martinez as his running mate, but I'll say Rubio.
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« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2015, 07:49:14 PM »

Hickenlooper would likely turn the VP slot down.  Like his fellow westerners and mountaineers, Brian Schweitzer and John Kitzhaber, Hickenlooper doesn't want to live back east.
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« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2015, 08:21:37 PM »

Democrats:
Clinton/Warner
Clinton/Kaine
Clinton/Brown
Clinton/Heinrich

Republicans:
Bush/Martinez
Bush/Scott
Bush/Walker
Bush/Haley
Bush/Walker

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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2015, 02:11:11 AM »

Democrats

Hillary/Bill Nelson
Hillary/Sherrod Brown
Hillary/Xavier Becerra
Hillary/Brad Ashford
Hillary/Joaquin Castro
Gillibrand/Joaquin Castro
Webb/Bill De Blasio

I don't think anyone currently serving in the Obama cabinet will be seriously considered, as President Obama is likely to be a significant Negative in 2016 (sorry Julian Castro), and a double negative for Hillary, with her own past service. The Gillibrand and Webb things are "just in case", as Hillary seems all but certain to run.

Republicans

Ted Cruz/Scott Walker
Ted Cruz/Kelly Ayotte
Scott Walker/Kelly Ayotte
Scott Walker/Nikki Haley
Ted Cruz/Rand Paul
Rand Paul/Rick Snyder
Jeb Bush/Kelly Ayotte

This seems self-explanatory
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