1992 Cuomo vs. Bush vs. Perot

[Libertarian Socialist Dem]

In honor of the late great Mario Cuomo what would a Cuomo vs Bush matchup with Perot in the running have looked like in 92?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Cuomo would have steamrolled to victory. I think he would have picked up Indiana among other states.

As late as 2004, I think Cuomo probably would have won easily.

[SPC]

Any states where Cuomo would have outperformed Clinton were already in the Democratic column. Cuomo would not have won Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, or Georgia though.

[Libertarian Socialist Dem]

A Cuomo/Clinton ticket would have been interesting. Kind of like Bartlett/Hoynes in the West Wing.

[Indy Texas]

Cuomo does better in some northeastern and Rust Belt states. His image and platform don't win back Southern Democrats and Bush accuses Cuomo of being soft on crime and invokes images of NYC crime, effectively pulling a Willie Horton 2.0 in the South. Cuomo doesn't play as well in the Great Plains or the West either, but many of those votes ultimately go to Perot rather than Bush.

[Libertarian Socialist Dem]

Could Cuomo have picked Clinton as his running mate? I mean Clinton would probably still have run ITTL and may have been the runner-up in the primary, building up a national profile. It would have been a pretty classic balanced ticket (geographically/age wise/different wings of the party.)

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Could Cuomo have picked Clinton as his running mate? I mean Clinton would probably still have run ITTL and may have been the runner-up in the primary, building up a national profile. It would have been a pretty classic balanced ticket (geographically/age wise/different wings of the party.)

Problem with that theory is that there's a more-than-decent chance said primary results in a bloodbath that has Cuomo and Clinton absolutely refusing to speak to each other.

Though if Cuomo wants a Southern running mate, Ann Richards is always an option.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Cuomo would have more likely picked Bob Kerrey who was a moderate as well and carried the day with 300 electoral votes.

But Welfare Reform would of happened regardless if Cuomo did it or Clinton did it, impeachment wouldn't have happened.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

But Welfare Reform would of happened regardless if Cuomo did it or Clinton did it, impeachment wouldn't have happened.

Was Cuomo really very big on welfare "reform"? The only people at the time who were really clamoring for punitive welfare "reform" were the right-wing media and their followers.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He would of pushed for a health care proposal that would have passed that included health savings accounts, not individual mandate.

If he were to get reelected he would have had to sign some type of reform, that put time limits on recepients. But the Brady Bill, not Welfare Reform, gave us Gingrich.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

If he were to get reelected he would have had to sign some type of reform, that put time limits on recepients.

He wouldn't have had to sign it. Presidents do have veto power.

I would have vetoed it instantly, even back then.

[Libertarian Socialist Dem]

In Cuomo's 84 DNC speech he sounded like a bit of a protectionist. I wonder if he would have vetoed NAFTA.

[Jerseyrules]

In Cuomo's 84 DNC speech he sounded like a bit of a protectionist. I wonder if he would have vetoed NAFTA.

I got those vibes too...  I feel like he might've, but if memory served it past by a wide (70ish plus) margin, at least in the Senate...not sure how NAFTA passing over his veto would affect the midterms and re-election.  Although perceived weakness here might be blunted by ramming through a successful healthcare bill

[Bandit3 the Worker]

NAFTA was unpopular. If he vetoed NAFTA, it would have helped him.

[Jerseyrules]

NAFTA was unpopular. If he vetoed NAFTA, it would have helped him.

Still, the perceived weakness of his control over his own party might've hurt, and he probably wouldn't lift a finger to help those who voted for it in the midterms.  All that means a much more powerful Newt Gingrich and fewer donors come 96

[Lief 🗽]

Everyone is a protectionist when they're running for president (or giving a speech in support of someone who is, in Cuomo's case). No one is actually a protectionist once they're elected.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Cuomo/Gephardt  291
Bush/Quayle 247

[Bandit3 the Worker]

I'm looking at the '92 results, and I didn't realize until now just how close Wyoming was. I seriously think Cuomo would have won Wyoming, Kansas, and (the big one) Texas - plus the other close states.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

331-207

Cuomo earns fewer electoral votes but takes a greater share of the popular vote than Clinton, since the urban Italian-American Catholic trades the Southern states for greater turnout and support in cities and urban states that were already in the Democratic column, earning outright majorities in states Clinton took >45% in, especially New York, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. Cuomo would have substantially outperformed Clinton in New Jersey, a state Clinton only narrowly won in 92.

Cuomo would have started the modern urban-rural polarization of parties earlier than IRL, along with the R trend in the South, although I think WV, fresh off from voting for Michael Dukakis, would easily remain Democratic in 92 with Cuomo as the nominee.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

I think Cuomo would have stalled the urban/rural split just on the basis of his policies.

[Thomas D]

Cuomo 312-220-6

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I think Cuomo would have stalled the urban/rural split just on the basis of his policies.

An urban Italian-American Catholic liberal New Yorker who opposed the death penalty would have stalled the urban/rural split as compared to a conservative rural white Southern Baptist farm boy from Arkansas who proudly presided over executions?

In fact during the 1992 campaign, Clinton returned to Arkansas to show voters his strong support for the death penalty by overseeing an execution of a mentally ill man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ray_Rector

[Stan]

I think something like this:

328 - Cuomo/Gore
210 - Bush/Quayle
000 - Perot/Stockdale

[Kingpoleon]

Cuomo would pick Harold Ford, Sr., Sam Nunn, John Glenn, or Lloyd Bentsen if he wanted to win any of the South.

[Ariosto]

I think this post captures my own opinion fairly well, except I might have thrown Kentucky to Bush. Cuomo would have been able to run up the margins in traditionally Democratic states, though nationally he would have alienated some moderates who would have moved to Perot, and the South would be a wash for Bush even with a Southerner on the ticket, though maybe states like Kentucky, Florida and Virginia could be made somewhat competitive.