Policy Report Act (Passed)

[bore]

Senators have 36 hours to object to cranberry's amendment

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I really have no preference between who appoints said solitary person, so I will support the amendment.

[Senator Cris]

I'm offering an amendment:

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Dear colleagues, the Vice President hasn't a big role in our politics, and I'm not the only one to think this. Senator Windjammer of Mideast presented a legislation to abolish this office.
The Vice President should be more present in our politics and I think that my amendment is a good step in the right direction.
I'm open to your concerns, thoughts and considerations.

[Cranberry]

As I told you in private, if the Vice President is willing to do this, I'm on board. Before we don't hear from SJoyce I will wait with my judgement, if you don't mind.

[windjammer]

I will vote for this amendment.  But I can see a problem: the VP is often chosen as "the man who will get you votes, and then he will do nothing".So, I'm not sure this is totally a good idea to give something to a total inactive office.

[bore]

Senators have 36 hours to object to Cris's amendment

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I'm voting NAY - and I'm doing so because I think considering the nature of the job, I would prefer that it was done by someone who actually wants to do it, rather than it being part of a position-description that could ignored.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I will vote for this amendment.  But I can see a problem: the VP is often chosen as "the man who will get you votes, and then he will do nothing".So, I'm not sure this is totally a good idea to give something to a total inactive office.

It is inactive because we have made it inactive again. As a former, rather active VP yourself this is pretty clearly the case. Duke, DemPGH, and Cincy were active as well. We went four out of five active (which is unprecedented in my five years here) simply by giving it a chunk of the Senate to run.

If we give a specific job or responsibility, you will do much better than if such is vague or to be crafter by their own initiative simply because it is easier to short change on time and participation when there is no blueprint to be compared to obviously. By doing so, we changed the dynamics of the VP selection process too at least partially. Did not DemPGH, one of the said active VP's, consider one of your selling points you activity and thus likely engagement with the Senate's operation?

The selection process by the Presidential candidate will reflect the job description. If we cannibalize the latter, it should be no surprise the former is what it is.

[bore]

I'm considering Polnut to have objected and so a vote is now open on Cris's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

NAY

[Senator Cris]

Aye

[TNF]

NAY

[windjammer]

Aye

[Bacon King]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE


Perhaps there is a better task for the VP, but at this present juncture something is better than nothing if we don't want to see the office cease to exist.

[windjammer]

I will vote for this amendment.  But I can see a problem: the VP is often chosen as "the man who will get you votes, and then he will do nothing".So, I'm not sure this is totally a good idea to give something to a total inactive office.

It is inactive because we have made it inactive again. As a former, rather active VP yourself this is pretty clearly the case. Duke, DemPGH, and Cincy were active as well. We went four out of five active (which is unprecedented in my five years here) simply by giving it a chunk of the Senate to run.

If we give a specific job or responsibility, you will do much better than if such is vague or to be crafter by their own initiative simply because it is easier to short change on time and participation when there is no blueprint to be compared to obviously. By doing so, we changed the dynamics of the VP selection process too at least partially. Did not DemPGH, one of the said active VP's, consider one of your selling points you activity and thus likely engagement with the Senate's operation?

The selection process by the Presidential candidate will reflect the job description. If we cannibalize the latter, it should be no surprise the former is what it is.

Well, you're right. Not all VPs were inactive, most of them were recently.

[SWE]

Aye

[bore]

Nay

I agree with Polnut here. The VP has such a diverse array of roles as it is (balancing a ticket, running certain senate functions, casting deciding votes) that it's likely that VPs wouldn't be selected for this role and so not be able to do it as well as others.

[Cranberry]

We still haven't heard of SJoyce on this?

As such, I can only vote

Abstain

[Senator Cris]

We still haven't heard of SJoyce on this?

As such, I can only vote

Abstain

I sent a message to SJoyce but I have not received an answer and also he hasn't posted in this thread.

[Cranberry]

We still haven't heard of SJoyce on this?

As such, I can only vote

Abstain

I sent a message to SJoyce but I have not received an answer and also he hasn't posted in this thread.

Yeah, I understand. I hope you understand too that I can't back this until SJoyce is on board.
By the way, BK and Maxwell, would you be ready to do this if elected VP?

[Lief 🗽]

Nay

Let's not give the VP random new roles that don't really have anything to do with the constitutional structure of the office solely for the sake of giving him something to do.

[bore]

This amendment has enough votes to pass, senators have 24 hours to change their votes

[HagridOfTheDeep]

For the record, I don't believe assigning bit duties to the Vice President is a good idea. In fact, to be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of mandating inane duties like this at all. The intent is fantastic, but there's no enforcement mechanism (nor should there be), so I don't know if I see the point of this bill. I mean, good officeholders will make sure their constituents know what's going on in the senate. If they don't, that's their problem. Plus, what's stopping Atlasians from checking into this sub-forum and looking at the PPT's thread? All the information is there, isn't it? If they don't read that thread, they're not going to read the Policy Report.

If the bill is going to pass though, I think the position should just be filled by whoever the president appoints, no confirmation necessary. It's not a big job, so let's not make it a bigger deal than it has to be.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I urge Senators to re-consider their votes on this amendment.