Policy Report Act (Passed)

[Cranberry]

Yeah, I'll change it to NAY

We haven't heard of SJoyce, and as has been noted, this is not really a responsibility that should be there for the VP...

[Senator Cris]

Yeah, I'll change it to NAY

We haven't heard of SJoyce, and as has been noted, this is not really a responsibility that should be there for the VP...

I think your change is invalid. Bore said "senators have 24 hours to change their votes" at 08.36 am and  you posted at 08.54 am.
Sorry if it seems that I'm not accepting your vote, but this is the rule.

[Cranberry]

Yeah, I'll change it to NAY

We haven't heard of SJoyce, and as has been noted, this is not really a responsibility that should be there for the VP...

I think your change is invalid. Bore said "senators have 24 hours to change their votes" at 08.36 am and  you posted at 08.54 am.
Sorry if it seems that I'm not accepting your vote, but this is the rule.

Yeah, most likely.

[bore]

Yeah, Cranberry's vote change was too late:

By a vote of 5-4-1 Cris's amendment has passed the senate:

Aye: Bacon King, Cris, Windjammer, Yankee, SWE

Nay: Bore, Polnut, TNF, Lief

Abstain: Cranberry

[Cranberry]

Okay then... Are you okay with the current version as of now, or is there still something you'd like to add?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Personally, I'll be voting NAY on this Bill as it stands. I understand the desire to give the VP meaningful work - but this should be a specific task and given to someone with an interest and capacity to do it.

[windjammer]

I might have an idea of compromise.

[Cranberry]

Yes, Windjammer, go on, please tell us.

[windjammer]

Why not giving the VP a slot and in exchange, someone would be appointed for that.

[Maxwell]

I think we could use APR as a replacement to the television network thing that takes up a decent chunk of the budget.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Why not giving the VP a slot and in exchange, someone would be appointed for that.

It's an interesting idea... but I think wanders a bit off track of the the purpose of this Bill. The inclusion of the VP is a solution of the need to have someone keep track of the policies of Atlasia, but it is not designed to be a solution to the issue of giving the VP something to do.

If Senator Windjammer wishes to introduce this idea, and I know he is passionate about it, then I'd ask him to propose that separately as I think it muddies the water of the purpose of this Bill.

[windjammer]

Why not giving the VP a slot and in exchange, someone would be appointed for that.

It's an interesting idea... but I think wanders a bit off track of the the purpose of this Bill. The inclusion of the VP is a solution of the need to have someone keep track of the policies of Atlasia, but it is not designed to be a solution to the issue of giving the VP something to do.

If Senator Windjammer wishes to introduce this idea, and I know he is passionate about it, then I'd ask him to propose that separately as I think it muddies the water of the purpose of this Bill.

Thank you for saying I'm "passionate" .
So, if I understand correctly, you want me to propose a new bill about the VP powers?

[Cranberry]

Anyway, I'll introduce an amendment to have this VP thing away again.

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I think we could use APR as a replacement to the television network thing that takes up a decent chunk of the budget.

Maybe not all of it, but we could maybe strike a bit? Seems sensible to me.

[windjammer]

Anyway, I'll introduce an amendment to have this VP thing away again.

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I think we could use APR as a replacement to the television network thing that takes up a decent chunk of the budget.

Maybe not all of it, but we could maybe strike a bit? Seems sensible to me.

Will you try to reform this office or will you let this office be inactive for ever Cranberry?

[Cranberry]

Anyway, I'll introduce an amendment to have this VP thing away again.

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I think we could use APR as a replacement to the television network thing that takes up a decent chunk of the budget.

Maybe not all of it, but we could maybe strike a bit? Seems sensible to me.

Will you try to reform this office or will you let this office be inactive for ever Cranberry?

I am very willing to reforms to the office of Vice President, I just don't believe this is a job Vice Presidents should be doing, as the credentials to choose the guy to do that job are often completely different to those after which you choose your Vice Presidential Candidate.

[windjammer]

Anyway, I'll introduce an amendment to have this VP thing away again.

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I think we could use APR as a replacement to the television network thing that takes up a decent chunk of the budget.

Maybe not all of it, but we could maybe strike a bit? Seems sensible to me.

Will you try to reform this office or will you let this office be inactive for ever Cranberry?

I am very willing to reforms to the office of Vice President, I just don't believe this is a job Vice Presidents should be doing, as the credentials to choose the guy to do that job are often completely different to those after which you choose your Vice Presidential Candidate.

Thank you

[windjammer]

I won't oppose this amendment because I will be working with Cris to give some duties to the VP. I hope, however, that senators are really going to want to reform this office. And not voting against any reform of the VP??? Can I count on the other senators?
Truly, Sjoyce's vicepresidency has just shown that this office needs to be reformed. I mean, he's inactive, but that's not even his fault but that's because he has no duty. So I hope senators realize that?

[Senator Cris]

I won't oppose this amendment because I will be working with Cris to give some duties to the VP. I hope, however, that senators are really going to want to reform this office. And not voting against any reform of the VP??? Can I count on the other senators?
Truly, Sjoyce's vicepresidency has just shown that this office needs to be reformed. I mean, he's inactive, but that's not even his fault but that's because he has no duty. So I hope senators realize that?

I agree with Senator Windjammer of Mideast.
I understand the Senators's concerns on the current text. I presented that amendment only for having a more active VP, but now considering that a work on the change of VP duties is started (and I hope it will have the support of all the Senators), I won't object.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Why not giving the VP a slot and in exchange, someone would be appointed for that.

It's an interesting idea... but I think wanders a bit off track of the the purpose of this Bill. The inclusion of the VP is a solution of the need to have someone keep track of the policies of Atlasia, but it is not designed to be a solution to the issue of giving the VP something to do.

If Senator Windjammer wishes to introduce this idea, and I know he is passionate about it, then I'd ask him to propose that separately as I think it muddies the water of the purpose of this Bill.

Thank you for saying I'm "passionate" .
So, if I understand correctly, you want me to propose a new bill about the VP powers?

Basically, yes. This Bill should be about finding a solution to the issue of needing someone in this position and doing the job, not a solution to the issue if giving the VP more to do.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Being inactive is not a result of the position being unclear. I'm here participating, and nothing's telling me I have to be. I'm doing it because it's the best way for anyone to do their job well. The administration has goals and philosophies. I give the Vice President some leeway for not participating, but there are things he could be doing to champion those principles.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I'm getting a little concerned this Bill is kind of being detailed into the age-old VP role debate.

[bore]

Senators have 36 hours to object to Cranberries amendment

[Cranberry]

I'm getting a little concerned this Bill is kind of being detailed into the age-old VP role debate.

I feel so as well, so I would kindly ask the Senators to return the focus on this piece of legislation. Thank you.

[Donerail]

I sent a message to SJoyce but I have not received an answer and also he hasn't posted in this thread.

My apologies, I must have overlooked that - I'm not sure what the purpose of assigning this role to the Vice President would be. More broadly, I can see in theory why it'd be useful to have such a newspaper, but can't see what function it would provide - if the problem is that few people can remember past legislation, I don't see much of a function to the APR barring a 'statute reset' of some kind. Other newspapers already exist (on-and-off and informally) to update the Atlasian public on important legislation that has passed the Senate, and I see it as the duty of anyone who introduces legislation to be conscious of the past legislation that may conflict with or influence their proposals.

[Cranberry]

I sent a message to SJoyce but I have not received an answer and also he hasn't posted in this thread.

My apologies, I must have overlooked that - I'm not sure what the purpose of assigning this role to the Vice President would be. More broadly, I can see in theory why it'd be useful to have such a newspaper, but can't see what function it would provide - if the problem is that few people can remember past legislation, I don't see much of a function to the APR barring a 'statute reset' of some kind. Other newspapers already exist (on-and-off and informally) to update the Atlasian public on important legislation that has passed the Senate, and I see it as the duty of anyone who introduces legislation to be conscious of the past legislation that may conflict with or influence their proposals.

Well, this bill does not aim to "relieve" officeholders of this duty, I just think such a resource would make it easier. But are there others who think this is unnecessary?