for Christians: when does the individual 'Fall into sin'?

[Simfan34]

At the instant one comes into being, i.e. conception.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Birth, of course.

[°Leprechaun]

Anyone who supports war for any reason is committing the worst SIN humans are capable of. What could be worse than murder or intentional killing which are really the same thing?

Why is it ok to break the commandment "Do not kill"? Why do so many Christians believe in only nine commandments, arrogantly omitting the most important one?

This kind of ignorance is an abomination.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

[°Leprechaun]

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.

[°Leprechaun]

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.

How can they be classified as "intentional"?

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.

How can they be classified as "intentional"?

If either way the victim is dead, then those deaths are murders, because there's no difference between kill and murder. At least that's how I read your post.

Even leaving aside nature, if someone dies in a car crash, is the other driver a murderer?

As for war, wars are killing, not murder, unless the victim is on the same side as the perpetrator.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

"Thou Shalt Not Kill"...?

[°Leprechaun]

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.

How can they be classified as "intentional"?

If either way the victim is dead, then those deaths are murders, because there's no difference between kill and murder. At least that's how I read your post.

Even leaving aside nature, if someone dies in a car crash, is the other driver a murderer?

As for war, wars are killing, not murder, unless the victim is on the same side as the perpetrator.

I said "intentional" killing. The point is that "Just War" is an oxymoron.
If it wrong to kill people, there are no exceptions. As for car accidents. The point is that they are accidents, which means that they are not intentional. I do not call myself a "Christian", but I would point out that Jesus never killed anyone. He was a pacifist, which is a good thing.

[compson III]

All human life does bad things, whether you want to call it sin or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_twin
http://www.ulm.edu/~palmer/Mother.htm

Still, there are more disturbing things that happen in other parts of the animal kingdom.  And doesn't it make sense to attribute more sin to the male gorilla who cannibalizes his newly won harem's children who were fathered by another male?  Surely the gorilla has ethical responsibility.  He experiences a "face to face" encounter ala Levinas (though I admit not being deeply read in Levinas).  Yet we only ascribe "original sin" as a human phenomenon. 

I think this means we should take a gradualist approach.  But I'm still not sure.