Do you prefer the lyrical style of classic hymns or Christian hardcore?

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Wow do I relate to this now:

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Parts of that remind me a little of warmed-over Augustine.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Yeah but Augustine was very far from the equivalent of an SJW in his time, unlike these guys.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I can't believe I'm asking you this, but what are your thoughts on Ambrose?

[they don't love you like i love you]

I actually know nothing of him.

Though Wikipedia says he pioneered "antiphonal chanting", and antiphonal vocals are a huge feature in many hardcore songs and shows up on my Pandora's traits all the time, including in that song I just quoted so I guess I have to give him credit for that.

[they don't love you like i love you]

I think Madeline would actually like this one:

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The part in bold is notable because it's just before the breakdown so you can actually understand what he's saying (and because he's not really screaming at that point but doing the whole "half sobbing hardcore vocalist" thing.)

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Good sentiment, some cleverness in the lyrics, not appropriate for liturgical use.

By the way, the reason I asked you about Ambrose is that in his disputes with the Emperor Theodosius he was one of the first figures in recorded history to use what we'd today recognize as nonviolent civil disobedience tactics, and thus could be argued to have had proto-SJW tendencies (if you really wanted to make that argument. Which you shouldn't).

[Young Conservative]

Write-in:  Christian pop/contemporary like Francesca Battistelli

[they don't love you like i love you]

Wow, this is one of the best Christian hardcore songs I've ever heard. Can't believe it eluded me for so long. It's actually musically complex, not just a bunch of moshy parts thrown together like so much Christian hardcore is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYXuS3rXuBQ

Lyrics are pretty good too. I was actually listening to this at work today and wanted to raise my hands.

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[they don't love you like i love you]

Here's a great example of why it's so stupid to say all modern day Christian music (which of course is not the same thing as all modern day CCM) is really vapid and stupidly written:

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[TJ in Oregon]

Here's a great example of why it's so stupid to say all modern day Christian music (which of course is not the same thing as all modern day CCM) is really vapid and stupidly written:

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I don't think those lyrics are pointless at all BRTD, they clearly describe a person who is trying to commit their life to God in the midst of a struggle with despair. In fact, the lyrics specifically identify a point in the last line. It is true they lack theological rigor and undoubtedly are not becoming for use in the Holy Mass, but they are certainly teleological.

I mean, compare that to Sing a New Church:

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Now, that is nonsenical drivel.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

'Sing a New Church' sounds almost Unitarian.

[Clark Kent]

What is Christian hardcore? For that matter, what is hardcore music? Just heavy metal?

[they don't love you like i love you]

Here's a great example of why it's so stupid to say all modern day Christian music (which of course is not the same thing as all modern day CCM) is really vapid and stupidly written:

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I don't think those lyrics are pointless at all BRTD, they clearly describe a person who is trying to commit their life to God in the midst of a struggle with despair. In fact, the lyrics specifically identify a point in the last line. It is true they lack theological rigor and undoubtedly are not becoming for use in the Holy Mass, but they are certainly teleological.

Well yeah that was exactly my point. Actually you contrasted it well since I was pointing out all modern day Christian music is NOT Sing a New Church type vapid drivel.

[TJ in Oregon]

Well yeah that was exactly my point. Actually you contrasted it well since I was pointing out all modern day Christian music is NOT Sing a New Church type vapid drivel.

Whoops. I misread your post to say the opposite of what it said and thus attempted to argue when we actually agree.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Oh and BTW they were written by an Italian-American hipster Christian.

[TJ in Oregon]

'Sing a New Church' sounds almost Unitarian.

Yeah, well that's what my experience of 'liberal Catholicism' has mostly been like. Picture a middle aged woman with a guitar trying to sound contemporary and 'relevant' to teenagers. It's kind of amazing the Catholic Church survived Vatican II in the US at all sometimes.

[they don't love you like i love you]

What is Christian hardcore?

Hardcore music with a Christian message.

For that matter, what is hardcore music? Just heavy metal?

....no. No. NO. NO.

It's a rather diverse genre with many subgenres and a diverse arrangement of influences, but fundamentally it's an offshoot of early punk music, early hardcore punk is just punk made faster and louder. It then kind of developed and evolved in all sorts of different directions. The name is actually an anachronistic misnomer, a lot of hardcore music isn't even all that "hard", (for example take my current namesake or this from one of the biggest hardcore bands out today.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Interesting this is YouTube's first hit for "Sing a New Church". It actually manages to make it sound quite different from what the lyrics would imply! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_WmI3WRMDI

I'm actually curious now in what choral and brass covers of Christian hardcore songs would be like now...

Actually the music in that video does sound vaguely familiar, I've heard something that sounds like that before....

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

It's a rather diverse genre with many subgenres and a diverse arrangement of influences, but fundamentally it's an offshoot of early punk music, early hardcore punk is just punk made faster and louder. It then kind of developed and evolved in all sorts of different directions. The name is actually an anachronistic misnomer, a lot of hardcore music isn't even all that "hard", (for example take my current namesake or this from one of the biggest hardcore bands out today.

This is the most succinct, accessible, and appealing definition of hardcore I've ever seen you give. Well done. I'm not being sarcastic.

[Slow Learner]

Hymns (agnostic)

'Hardcore' is blasphemy

[DC Al Fine]

'Sing a New Church' sounds almost Unitarian.

It's even worse because Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing, one of my favourite hymns is set to the same tune as Sing a New Church, and it keeps popping into my head when I sing the good one in church.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Oh so that's why the music for it sounded vaguely familiar! The only version of "Come Thou Font of Every Blessing" I've heard is the vaguely post hardcorish one with guitars and drums but I definitely recognized the melody.