Mexico June 7th 2015 elections

[Zanas]

It's a bit unsettling when you use "national socialist" that much. Do you mean actually national-socialist ? I don't recall the PRD having this kind of inclination. Maybe you should choose another word to describe their policies. Or is it how they are described in Mexico ?

[Zanas]

It's a bit unsettling when you use "national socialist" that much. Do you mean actually national-socialist ? I don't recall the PRD having this kind of inclination. Maybe you should choose another word to describe their policies. Or is it how they are described in Mexico ?

Yeah, nationalist socialist is better. Describing a left wing party with the other label is too trollish.

There was never a Mussolini or Hitler in Latin America to take the local fascism right. It stayed. It is not that there is no other left anywhere in Latin America: arguably, this does not apply to Chile or Uruguay. But for corporativist statist hard nationalist antidemocratic parties of the peronista/priista style - why invent terminology, when the traditional one fits like a glove?

National socialism has been quite strongly identified to, and only to, the Nazi movement in Germany between 1923 and 1945. Even the various small groups that claim to be heirs to that are called "Neo-nazis", and not "national socialists" per se. Some terminologies are not in use after they have been so much identified with one particular movement or situation. You cannot refer to any annexion of a country by another as an Anschluss. Same goes for "national socialism".

Plus, I get from your posts that you are dogmatically using the terminology whereas it's not even commonly in use in Mexico. So, I won't convince you to stop, but it's not an honest practice, not to mention not the most clarifying for foreigners who do not know Mexican politics very well.

I probably agree on a lot of your characterizations of PRI, I thought PRD was a bit better but maybe it's not, but to a foreigner ranking them as "national socialists" will inevitably make them think they organize massive 1,000,000 member rallies with a funny logo on an armband in stadiums across the country on a monthly basis...

[Zanas]

So what exactly is this MC ? The acronym hasn't once been developed in either page of this thread, it seems.

[Zanas]

You would expect something like the current situation when you first elect Jorge Hank Rhon to any electoral office (former Mayor of Tijuana and a criminal), then elect Enrique Peña Nieto to President (current President, and a criminal)...

Mexico is verging on fascism it seems...

[Zanas]

So the Church is the most trusted institution in Mexico?

In other words, "in God we trust".

[Zanas]

What would a PAN-PRD coalition actually be like, politically? Unsavory, I take it?

I f you hand them the power, then just the same as PRI. It's Mexico we're talking about, after all.

[Zanas]

What would a PAN-PRD coalition actually be like, politically? Unsavory, I take it?

I f you hand them the power, then just the same as PRI. It's Mexico we're talking about, after all.

Actually, not really. It is a lot more complicated.

What characterizes PRI is the traditional clientelistic machine. PAN has never been able to establish one, and PRD has only, really, done it in DF - and even here it is now largely in the hands of the MORENA.

I meant that if the country handed such a coalition the federal power for long enough, say 2 terms, such a clientelistic machine would easily emerge and would certainly be quasi-indistinguishable from the PRI's.