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« on: January 11, 2015, 10:31:20 AM »

Extending Russia's legal campaign against homosexuality, a new law aimed at reducing traffic deaths denies driver's licences to people with "disorders" involving sexual preference and gender identity.

The decree, signed Dec. 29 by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, empowers officials to ban transsexual and transgender people from driving, along with others suffering from such "mental disorders" as fetishism, exhibitionism, voyeurism, compulsive theft or "pathological" gambling, the BBC and Mashable reported Thursday.

Specifically, the decree — "to promote public health" — applies to those with "gender identity disorders, disorders of sexual preference and psychological and behavioral disorders associated with sexual development and orientation."

The rules also apply to people with schizophrenia, "mood" disorders and "neurotic, stress-related" problems.

"The decisions are aimed at reducing deaths from vehicular accidents," the decree declares, according to a translation provided to USA TODAY.

Nearly 28,000 fatalities -- 55 per 100,000 vehicles -- occurred on Russian roads in 2012, according to the most recent statistics available. (The United States recorded 8,000 more traffic deaths the same year, but the per-100,000-vehicle rate was only 13.6.)

Russia defends the restrictions by citing the World Health Organization's International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. However, the compendium contains this note: "Sexual orientation by itself is not to be regarded as a disorder."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/01/08/russia-driving-ban-sexual-disorders/21464611/

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2015, 10:44:01 AM »

Can we ban Russia from banning things, citing mental disorders?
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2015, 10:51:50 AM »

Medvedev why? Sad
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2015, 10:53:51 AM »

Makes sense. I am self-diagnosed with sluggishly-progressing schizophrenia, after all.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2015, 10:59:44 AM »

omg still FF for resisting the Western imperialists!!
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2015, 11:22:59 AM »


Dima probably just got his instructions.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2015, 11:26:07 AM »

Wouldn't this also cover homosexuals?
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2015, 11:27:18 AM »

What's the point of this? Like, at all?
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2015, 03:04:09 PM »

Truly disgusting. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2015, 03:31:40 PM »

Guys, they're trying to protect public health and safety! Just like those forward-thinking Saudi Arabians, whose ban on female driving has no doubt saved thousands of wayward women from having their uterus fall out.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2015, 03:39:46 PM »

omg still FF for resisting the Western imperialists!!
If there's one thing that I do like Putin for is that he is resisting American Imperialism.
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2015, 04:26:43 PM »

If Russia is concerned about "promoting public health", they should ban Russians from driving. Russians all drive like deranged lunatics who belong in a mental asylum to begin with. Step out onto a busy street in Moscow or Peterburg and you'll get run over by some truck going a hundred miles an hour and the driver won't give it a second thought as he lifts his cigarette up to his mouth for another puff.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2015, 04:30:14 PM »

omg still FF for resisting the Western imperialists!!
If there's one thing that I do like Putin for is that he is resisting American Imperialism.

yes and replacing it with Russian imperialism.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2015, 05:26:20 PM »

Dishonest, sensationalistic title. It banned people with mental illnesses in general from driving, and gender dysphoria is still (wrongly) counted as a mental illness in many compilations.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2015, 09:37:00 PM »

omg still FF for resisting the Western imperialists!!
If there's one thing that I do like Putin for is that he is resisting American Imperialism.

yes and replacing it with Russian imperialism.
Um.. no.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2015, 10:08:48 PM »

Dishonest, sensationalistic title. It banned people with mental illnesses in general from driving, and gender dysphoria is still (wrongly) counted as a mental illness in many compilations.

That's worse actually... given what can or can not be considered a mental illness.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2015, 10:59:05 PM »

Dishonest, sensationalistic title. It banned people with mental illnesses in general from driving, and gender dysphoria is still (wrongly) counted as a mental illness in many compilations.

That's worse actually... given what can or can not be considered a mental illness.

It probably is, and I'm no friend of the Putin government. However, the Western reporting of it is rather sensationalistic.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2015, 12:44:06 AM »

However, the Western reporting of it is rather sensationalistic.

The decree specifically outlines that this is targeted at transgenders, with other classes of people also denied licenses in a way that is intended to regulate morality, especially sexual morality.

Homophobia in Russia isn't a joke or manufactured media controversy, it's extremely serious, and the government engaging in policies like this is intended to provide cover for mass discrimination against homosexuals, purposefully crafting legislation in ways where gay people can continue to be demonized and brutalized.  Unfortunately for transgenders in Russia, their sentence is more clearly and plainly pronounced.
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2015, 06:43:28 AM »

The hypocrisy of those people who are so utterly permissive to Muslims minorities in Western countries, yet at the same time would deny the people of Russia the right to promote their traditional values... y'all know a transgender Muslim is more likely then not to be the victim of an honor killing, right?
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2015, 06:47:29 AM »

The hypocrisy of those people who are so utterly permissive to Muslims minorities in Western countries, yet at the same time would deny the people of Russia the right to promote their traditional values... y'all know a transgender Muslim is more likely then not to be the victim of an honor killing, right?

Christ... like one has ANYTHING to do with the other.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2015, 06:56:08 AM »

My point is Muslims are more transphobic then Russians are, yet the same liberals who despise the Russians for their defending their traditional values... they then turn around and embrace immigrants, refugees and so on who would kill any family member who came out as trans or gay.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2015, 06:58:51 AM »

My point is Muslims are more transphobic then Russians are, yet the same liberals who despise the Russians for their defending their traditional values... they then turn around and embrace immigrants, refugees and so on who would kill any family member who came out as trans or gay.

Do you have anything to say that doesn't involve liberals and Muslims and actually has something to do with the topic?


So you think it's appropriate that Russia bans people from driving for being transgender?
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2015, 07:06:43 AM »

I believe that Russians have the right to enforce their traditional moral standards, which includes the ostracisation of transexuals. I believe the Saudis have the same right. And indeed so do Americans. If they choose to do so or not is their choice, they should not be the made the victims of international pressure for defending their traditional culture!
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2015, 07:09:04 AM »

I believe that Russians have the right to enforce their traditional moral standards, which includes the ostracisation of transexuals. I believe the Saudis have the same right. And indeed so do Americans. If they choose to do so or not is their choice, they should not be the made the victims of international pressure for defending their traditional culture!

I see, just checking.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2015, 10:28:00 AM »
« Edited: January 13, 2015, 10:37:54 AM by Sol »

Rockingham, you are aware of the legal status of the Hijra in Bangladesh right? Or even in Pakistan? Or the traditional practices of the Bugis in Sulawesi? Or even the Xanith gender in Oman? Or of early Islamic traditions of Mukhannathun, and some of the early jurisprudence on that subject?

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