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« on: January 11, 2015, 02:56:21 PM »

How many people here really think either one will beat Clinton? Romney was a pretty bad candidate in 2012 and Jeb has a last name that voters really aren't in love with. With the economy getting better, exactly what message do those guys have? GOP is better running someone like Kasich, Rubio or even Paul.
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2015, 03:09:10 PM »

How many people here really think either one will beat Clinton? Romney was a pretty bad candidate in 2012 and Jeb has a last name that voters really aren't in love with. With the economy getting better, exactly what message do those guys have? GOP is better running someone like Kasich, Rubio or even Paul.

I am on record as saying the GOP will lose no matter who they nominate in 2016, because the fall in oil prices virtually guarantees a 4% GDP growth rate both in 2015 and 2016. That said, Walker would be the best candidate.

You ask what message do these guys have with an improving economy??? What was GW Bush's message in 2000 with 3.8% unemployment and a budget surplus? What was Gore's response?
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2015, 03:10:52 PM »

Well they're the safe "moderate" establishment choices, so they will easily win a general election in a nation that's constantly clamoring for an "establishment" Republican. Just like the successful presidential campaigns of Bob Dole in 1996, John McCain in 2008, and Mitt Romney himself in 2012.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2015, 05:05:37 PM »

You can't ask much more for a party that only wants more status quo and establishment.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2015, 06:21:11 PM »

A 2000 like economy won't produce a change of party this time. Demographics make that extremely unlikely. Even modest growth probably leaves the GOP a couple points short in Virginia and Ohio.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2015, 06:26:18 PM »

Well, better pack out bags now guys. Looks like its over because Devils30 said so.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2015, 08:22:24 PM »

The energy for those guys is all within the donor class, not the average voter. Just don't be shocked when you get around 46.5% of the vote.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2015, 08:27:58 PM »

The energy for those guys is all within the donor class, not the average voter. Just don't be shocked when you get around 46.5% of the vote.
You are mistaking me for a Clinton supporter.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2015, 09:07:32 PM »

A 2000 like economy won't produce a change of party this time. Demographics make that extremely unlikely. Even modest growth probably leaves the GOP a couple points short in Virginia and Ohio.

Ohio hasnt changed demographics and FL's PVI hasnt changed at least since 1996
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2015, 09:33:55 PM »

Mitt is on hsi way to being Harold Stassen
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2015, 09:37:33 PM »

Give me an inksing break
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2015, 09:58:56 PM »

A 2000 like economy won't produce a change of party this time. Demographics make that extremely unlikely. Even modest growth probably leaves the GOP a couple points short in Virginia and Ohio.

Ohio hasnt changed demographics and FL's PVI hasnt changed at least since 1996

FL hasn't changed but the GOP is maxed out in Northern Florida. It just might be ready to start trending D but Jeb could keep it R+1 or 2 for another cycle.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2015, 11:29:21 PM »

A 2000 like economy won't produce a change of party this time. Demographics make that extremely unlikely. Even modest growth probably leaves the GOP a couple points short in Virginia and Ohio.

Ohio hasnt changed demographics and FL's PVI hasnt changed at least since 1996

FL hasn't changed but the GOP is maxed out in Northern Florida. It just might be ready to start trending D but Jeb could keep it R+1 or 2 for another cycle.
I have a feeling more of these Yankees in South Florida are going to switch Repub soon.

That's pretty much the only way the GOP keeps Florida if they lose Latinos.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2015, 11:36:22 PM »

Its too bad Sandoval doesn't want to run for President. Otherwise, on paper, everyone is screwed against Hilary.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2015, 01:01:58 AM »

The energy for those guys is all within the donor class, not the average voter. Just don't be shocked when you get around 46.5% of the vote.
Um if Hillary wasn't on the ticket I'm sure Dem Candidates would be competing for the donor classes money too. I don't think Obama took money from donors in 2008 but he was a very unique candidate like a FDR or a Reagan. Basically a candidate like Obama comes around every 2 or 3 generations.
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2015, 03:36:09 AM »

You ask what message do these guys have with an improving economy??? What was GW Bush's message in 2000 with 3.8% unemployment and a budget surplus?

That he was a guy you could have a beer with.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2015, 07:44:55 AM »

How many people here really think either one will beat Clinton? Romney was a pretty bad candidate in 2012 and Jeb has a last name that voters really aren't in love with. With the economy getting better, exactly what message do those guys have? GOP is better running someone like Kasich, Rubio or even Paul.

Romney would bring the same faults to a 2016 campaign. He can't turn off the flagrant narcissism, and his business record will hurt him again.

Thomas E. Dewey at the least was young enough that people could expect him to develop some as a politician after facing a drubbing by FDR. Romney would be the same person that he was in 2012.

Jeb? His family isn't squeaky-clean.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2015, 08:17:41 AM »

The thing is, Bush is probably one of the GOP's best options.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2015, 09:09:08 AM »

As a Dem, I'm worried by Jeb Bush. I don't think the name thing hurts him at all. His biggest drawback IMO is being so rusty on campaigning, and like Hillary Clinton in '08 he's going to have a rough learning curve in the primaries. But I think he's got a good chance of winning if he makes it through.

Putting Mitt Romney on the ticket is kind of like returning to Love Canal to build your dream home.
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