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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2015, 11:32:58 AM »

Voted for oakvale as should surprise no one.

No, the prude brood are blood brothers, for sure.

Lief, in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2015, 11:53:20 AM »

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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2015, 12:36:16 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2015, 12:42:39 PM by memphis »

How is this even a question? Lief by a mile. Anti-censorship. Pro-humor. I've grown to like the new gay Libby as well. It's refreshing to see a little bit of sexual exploration wash away so much crusty, sour teen angst. Perhaps, one day other members will follow suit.
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2015, 01:51:20 PM »

I must say that the idea that oakvale is "anti-sex" is hilarious and something that would have never occurred to me that anyone would think.
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2015, 01:55:59 PM »

It's surprising to see Oakvale labelled as "anti-sex". If anything he's (rightly so) against oversharing on the political forum.
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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2015, 01:58:51 PM »

I should point out that I quite like Lief and resent that he's being used as a proxy for Libertas's WACKY CRAZY tales of his over-active gag reflex.
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2015, 02:11:30 PM »

Lief, but for reasons entirely unrelated to the bizarre and arguably mendacious premise of this poll.
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2015, 02:12:56 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2015, 02:28:55 PM by Antonio V »

Both are great posters, but I'm going with Oakvale for the reasons outlined by Madeleine.
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2015, 02:15:52 PM »

Both are good posters to be honest.

And oakvale being a prude? Why not Bacon King too? Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2015, 02:19:59 PM »

I should point out that I quite like Lief and resent that he's being used as a proxy for Libertas's WACKY CRAZY tales of his over-active gag reflex.

The poll at the top of this thread is "Lief vs. Oakvale", nothing to do with gag reflexes. You chose to bring up my stories in a thread that wasn't about me. The fact that Lief convinced me to write a second chapter to the story while you wanted to use it as justification for banning me due to being "degenerate" is just one example that reflects inherent differences in personality, humor, character between the two of you.

You have embraced the trollish role of being a humorless "curmudgeon", again evidenced by your signature quotes which you proudly display, while most of Lief's posts are humorous and fun. You want to ban more people while Lief wants to unban people. Lief wants opebo unbanned while you celebrate his banning.

It seems a fair matchup since you both have your 'bases' on the forum. 
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2015, 02:22:04 PM »

I like oakvale a lot but I wish he would a) stop trying to get people banned and b) get so much enjoyment from doing so.

(This is off-topic, but I also think it's a little ridiculous to attack Libertas like people have been in this thread (...for some reason?). He posted like one or two stories, that were not sexually explicit at all. Certainly there have been many posters who continue to post here who have posted more explicit tales (and I don't think it's a coincidence that they were all straight...). The "gag reflex" post, for instance, is the sort of thing that could show up as a joke on "Two and a Half Men" or some other network television show.)
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2015, 02:36:14 PM »

I like oakvale a lot but I wish he would a) stop trying to get people banned and b) get so much enjoyment from doing so.

(This is off-topic, but I also think it's a little ridiculous to attack Libertas like people have been in this thread (...for some reason?). He posted like one or two stories, that were not sexually explicit at all. Certainly there have been many posters who continue to post here who have posted more explicit tales (and I don't think it's a coincidence that they were all straight...). The "gag reflex" post, for instance, is the sort of thing that could show up as a joke on "Two and a Half Men" or some other network television show.)

Come to think of it, I do think there is a homophobic element to the manufactured controversy over that story.

If a woman posted a thread on the Atlas Forum in which she posted the same exact story I did, including the 'gag reflex' part, I highly doubt she would have the morality police out in full force calling her "degenerate" and accusing her of "oversharing" and trying to get her banned. The gay angle still adds an 'ick' factor for many people, including those who would deny being at all homophobic.

LGBTQ people are often accused of "oversharing" for saying the same things straight people say on a routine basis. Just mentioning your same-sex partner in passing while discussing what you did last weekend is enough to get "ewww, why are you forcing your sexuality upon me?" responses.
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2015, 03:05:43 PM »

I like oakvale a lot but I wish he would a) stop trying to get people banned and b) get so much enjoyment from doing so.

(This is off-topic, but I also think it's a little ridiculous to attack Libertas like people have been in this thread (...for some reason?). He posted like one or two stories, that were not sexually explicit at all. Certainly there have been many posters who continue to post here who have posted more explicit tales (and I don't think it's a coincidence that they were all straight...). The "gag reflex" post, for instance, is the sort of thing that could show up as a joke on "Two and a Half Men" or some other network television show.)

Come to think of it, I do think there is a homophobic element to the manufactured controversy over that story.

If a woman posted a thread on the Atlas Forum in which she posted the same exact story I did, including the 'gag reflex' part, I highly doubt she would have the morality police out in full force calling her "degenerate" and accusing her of "oversharing" and trying to get her banned. The gay angle still adds an 'ick' factor for many people, including those who would deny being at all homophobic.

LGBTQ people are often accused of "oversharing" for saying the same things straight people say on a routine basis. Just mentioning your same-sex partner in passing while discussing what you did last weekend is enough to get "ewww, why are you forcing your sexuality upon me?" responses.

It's difficult for me to comprehend anything more intellectually dishonest than you attempting to frame your posting explicit sexual content all over the forum as a natural expression of your identity. I don't see the rest of our gay posters (and there are many!) posting about their sex lives. Even the creepy PAPOY gang doesn't go that far, preferring to stay in the realm of innuendo and borderline grooming.

I also don't know why you have to pretend that this is anything other than what Bacon King described - Lief and I are proxies for "I don't mind Libertas posting OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY stories about his OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY private life" and "I do not approve of that" respectively.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2015, 03:09:29 PM »

This was basically designed to be a Libertas vs. Oakvale poll, so I vote Oakvale.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2015, 03:28:25 PM »

I like oakvale a lot but I wish he would a) stop trying to get people banned and b) get so much enjoyment from doing so.

(This is off-topic, but I also think it's a little ridiculous to attack Libertas like people have been in this thread (...for some reason?). He posted like one or two stories, that were not sexually explicit at all. Certainly there have been many posters who continue to post here who have posted more explicit tales (and I don't think it's a coincidence that they were all straight...). The "gag reflex" post, for instance, is the sort of thing that could show up as a joke on "Two and a Half Men" or some other network television show.)

Come to think of it, I do think there is a homophobic element to the manufactured controversy over that story.

If a woman posted a thread on the Atlas Forum in which she posted the same exact story I did, including the 'gag reflex' part, I highly doubt she would have the morality police out in full force calling her "degenerate" and accusing her of "oversharing" and trying to get her banned. The gay angle still adds an 'ick' factor for many people, including those who would deny being at all homophobic.

LGBTQ people are often accused of "oversharing" for saying the same things straight people say on a routine basis. Just mentioning your same-sex partner in passing while discussing what you did last weekend is enough to get "ewww, why are you forcing your sexuality upon me?" responses.

It's difficult for me to comprehend anything more intellectually dishonest than you attempting to frame your posting explicit sexual content all over the forum as a natural expression of your identity. I don't see the rest of our gay posters (and there are many!) posting about their sex lives. Even the creepy PAPOY gang doesn't go that far, preferring to stay in the realm of innuendo and borderline grooming.

I also don't know why you have to pretend that this is anything other than what Bacon King described - Lief and I are proxies for "I don't mind Libertas posting OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY stories about his OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY private life" and "I do not approve of that" respectively.

I never posted "OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY" stories about my "sex life", I never posted "explicit sexual content all over the forum", I posted one DATING STORY about a crazy DATE I went on, a long rambling stream-of-consciousness story that included only 1 or 2 lines that only obliquely referenced sex where pertinent to the story. Anyone who actually read the story would know it was not a "sex story" by any stretch of the imagination. It was intended to be a humorous anecdote, which most people (like Lief) took it as, except for a few curmudgeons who with ulterior motivations chose to pretend I had posted erotica or pornography on the Atlas Forum. 

If you want to talk about dishonesty, take a look in the mirror.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2015, 03:29:39 PM »

This was basically designed to be a Libertas vs. Oakvale poll, so I vote Oakvale.
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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2015, 03:32:37 PM »

I like oakvale a lot but I wish he would a) stop trying to get people banned and b) get so much enjoyment from doing so.

(This is off-topic, but I also think it's a little ridiculous to attack Libertas like people have been in this thread (...for some reason?). He posted like one or two stories, that were not sexually explicit at all. Certainly there have been many posters who continue to post here who have posted more explicit tales (and I don't think it's a coincidence that they were all straight...). The "gag reflex" post, for instance, is the sort of thing that could show up as a joke on "Two and a Half Men" or some other network television show.)

Come to think of it, I do think there is a homophobic element to the manufactured controversy over that story.

If a woman posted a thread on the Atlas Forum in which she posted the same exact story I did, including the 'gag reflex' part, I highly doubt she would have the morality police out in full force calling her "degenerate" and accusing her of "oversharing" and trying to get her banned. The gay angle still adds an 'ick' factor for many people, including those who would deny being at all homophobic.

LGBTQ people are often accused of "oversharing" for saying the same things straight people say on a routine basis. Just mentioning your same-sex partner in passing while discussing what you did last weekend is enough to get "ewww, why are you forcing your sexuality upon me?" responses.

It's difficult for me to comprehend anything more intellectually dishonest than you attempting to frame your posting explicit sexual content all over the forum as a natural expression of your identity. I don't see the rest of our gay posters (and there are many!) posting about their sex lives. Even the creepy PAPOY gang doesn't go that far, preferring to stay in the realm of innuendo and borderline grooming.

I also don't know why you have to pretend that this is anything other than what Bacon King described - Lief and I are proxies for "I don't mind Libertas posting OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY stories about his OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY private life" and "I do not approve of that" respectively.

I never posted "OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY" stories about my "sex life", I never posted "explicit sexual content all over the forum", I posted one DATING STORY about a crazy DATE I went on, a long rambling stream-of-consciousness story that included only 1 or 2 lines that only obliquely referenced sex where pertinent to the story. Anyone who actually read the story would know it was not a "sex story" by any stretch of the imagination. It was intended to be a humorous anecdote, which most people (like Lief) took it as, except for a few curmudgeons who with ulterior motivations chose to pretend I had posted erotica or pornography on the Atlas Forum.  

If you want to talk about dishonesty, take a look in the mirror.

Pro-tip: Perhaps you should take advantage of the edit and preview functions to avoid publishing your "stream of consciousness" posts. It would cut down on the verbosity. You are not Joyce.
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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2015, 03:36:50 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2015, 03:40:38 PM »

Telling us about vomiting while performing oral sex is not just some expression of your identity, nor is it pertinent to the story you were telling, nor is it EDGY or HILARIOUS. It is gross. Just because you did not go into incredibly graphic detail does not mean that you did not tell us more than anyone wanted to know (and yes, I guarantee that a silent majority of this forum found that anecdote, as well as the one about a Broadway orgy, to be gross and unnecessary). I would feel this same way, for the record, about a straight man giving some gross detail about having sex with a woman. I am not shaming you for being gay, I am shaming you for giving far too much detail about your sex life on a forum about coloring maps.

And yes, please think about what you plan to post before you type it up. Even without the sex references your anecdotes are messes.
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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2015, 03:43:48 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2015, 03:45:38 PM by Northeast Member of Assembly Vapaus »

I like oakvale a lot but I wish he would a) stop trying to get people banned and b) get so much enjoyment from doing so.

(This is off-topic, but I also think it's a little ridiculous to attack Libertas like people have been in this thread (...for some reason?). He posted like one or two stories, that were not sexually explicit at all. Certainly there have been many posters who continue to post here who have posted more explicit tales (and I don't think it's a coincidence that they were all straight...). The "gag reflex" post, for instance, is the sort of thing that could show up as a joke on "Two and a Half Men" or some other network television show.)

Come to think of it, I do think there is a homophobic element to the manufactured controversy over that story.

If a woman posted a thread on the Atlas Forum in which she posted the same exact story I did, including the 'gag reflex' part, I highly doubt she would have the morality police out in full force calling her "degenerate" and accusing her of "oversharing" and trying to get her banned. The gay angle still adds an 'ick' factor for many people, including those who would deny being at all homophobic.

LGBTQ people are often accused of "oversharing" for saying the same things straight people say on a routine basis. Just mentioning your same-sex partner in passing while discussing what you did last weekend is enough to get "ewww, why are you forcing your sexuality upon me?" responses.

It's difficult for me to comprehend anything more intellectually dishonest than you attempting to frame your posting explicit sexual content all over the forum as a natural expression of your identity. I don't see the rest of our gay posters (and there are many!) posting about their sex lives. Even the creepy PAPOY gang doesn't go that far, preferring to stay in the realm of innuendo and borderline grooming.

I also don't know why you have to pretend that this is anything other than what Bacon King described - Lief and I are proxies for "I don't mind Libertas posting OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY stories about his OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY private life" and "I do not approve of that" respectively.

I never posted "OUTRAGEOUS WILD CRAZY" stories about my "sex life", I never posted "explicit sexual content all over the forum", I posted one DATING STORY about a crazy DATE I went on, a long rambling stream-of-consciousness story that included only 1 or 2 lines that only obliquely referenced sex where pertinent to the story. Anyone who actually read the story would know it was not a "sex story" by any stretch of the imagination. It was intended to be a humorous anecdote, which most people (like Lief) took it as, except for a few curmudgeons who with ulterior motivations chose to pretend I had posted erotica or pornography on the Atlas Forum.  

If you want to talk about dishonesty, take a look in the mirror.

Pro-tip: Perhaps you should take advantage of the edit and preview functions to avoid publishing your "stream of consciousness" posts. It would cut down on the verbosity. You are not Joyce.

I enjoy both reading literature (and forum posts) written in stream-of-consciousness style, and expressing myself via stream-of-consciousness.

My story was detailed and vivid in just about every aspect EXCEPT sex, describing the different locales around New York City, the conversations I had with Felix that stand out so clearly in my mind, my own reactions at the time and in retrospect, his friend Cassie the psych grad student who came over the next morning, etc. It was a fairly well-written humorous anecdote that I knew people would find entertaining even though dating him felt like a crazy roller coaster ride at the time.

Many of the stories I write, whether relaying actual events involving a date with a crazy person on an internet forum, or writing fiction (mostly short stories), are written in the stream-of-consciousness style.

I don't dictate to you how you must express yourself. And you are not forced to read anything I post.
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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2015, 03:48:56 PM »

Libertas, you do yourself no favor.
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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2015, 04:15:55 PM »

easily solution to this "debate": open a new site:

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« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2015, 04:41:21 PM »

I'm with you, Libby. Your story was, in fact, very interesting, and I would encourage you to start a thread of your own where you can share future exoloits. Most posters here have very little curiousity about the world, parrot orthodoxy they have overheard at church or in a college classriom, and are just overwhelmed by the idea of somebody who has interesting adventures away from the gentle glare of a computer. Never allow the haters to stifle your gift for narrative prose.
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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2015, 05:17:44 PM »

I'm with you, Libby. Your story was, in fact, very interesting, and I would encourage you to start a thread of your own where you can share future exoloits. Most posters here have very little curiousity about the world, parrot orthodoxy they have overheard at church or in a college classriom, and are just overwhelmed by the idea of somebody who has interesting adventures away from the gentle glare of a computer. Never allow the haters to stifle your gift for narrative prose.
Unfortunately that was and will remain my first and last story to contribute to the Atlas Forum. And it has been deleted. So Atlas posters who wanted to hear more of that story and other stories will have to go without.

When I posted that story as it was actually happening on an LGBT youth forum, the primary response was concern for me dating a seemingly crazy guy who seemed suspiciously like a pedophile and had a creepy Hitler Youth fetish despite being Jewish and they all were telling me to break it off but I was afraid of what the consequences would be. That was the primary point of the story, in response to the question raised by the thread as to why I am not in a relationship. But on Atlas Forum, certain people zeroed in on the ick factor of gays dating and implied gay sexual activity in one line of the story, and so that's that. No more stories.

I will continue writing for myself, and sharing both real-life anecdotes and works of fiction online....just not on the Atlas Forum.
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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2015, 05:39:38 PM »

But on Atlas Forum, certain people zeroed in on the ick factor of gays dating and implied gay sexual activity in one line of the story, and so that's that. No more stories.

Implied in the same way that Saving Private Ryan was a metaphor for World War II?
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