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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2015, 06:35:15 PM »

Yeah sure, why not? If you don't like his posts put him on ignore. Not that difficult.

I find the organized hate campaign against him because of like two posts he made much more offensive than anything he's done since his unbanning.

Yeah Bacon King said he was deleting all the posts I've made containing any references to sexual content on-sight... and he confirmed to me the only thing he deleted was that one story, which was intended to be a humorous anecdote and nothing more, and which I had already stated would be the last story I would share on Atlas Forum to avoid further unexpected controversy.

However certain people will keep repeating lies that I'm posting "sexually explicit" content all over the forum, like Snowstalker claiming that I've engaged in "obnoxiously slutty behavior" in the PAPOY thread, here is my "obnoxiously slutty" contribution to the PAPOY thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=205070.msg4445097#msg4445097

I don't think that's the real problem here. The problem is that you seem to retain your previous unnecessary belligerent attitude, overreacting to every little thing and creating more. The whole controversy would've be gone already had you simply ignored people bitching just for the bitching's sake.

Defending myself against lies is "belligerent"? There are certain posters who are going around claiming that I am posting "sexually explicit" content all over the forum, i.e. lying. Like Snowstalker claiming I engaged in "obnoxiously slutty behavior" on the PAPOY thread. Can you tell me what was "obnoxiously slutty" about my post in PAPOY?

If I remain silent, then mods/admins will keep running across these lies and assume they are true. Would you like it if certain people who just disliked you went all over the forum saying "Kalwejt has been posting pornography all over the forum! Ban him!" Why don't you tell the people who just dislike me and are determined to fabricate any reason to ban me to just stop telling lies about me. 

Unfortunately, you are not going to keep certain types from beating this thing like a proverbial dead horse. By reacting every time, you're only going to help to escalate the whole thing. They're baiting you and you're giving them exactly what the want. Eventually, the whole thing will dissipate, just don't help them keep it alive.

Also, I quite sure Nym or Dave wouldn't ban anybody because of some hearsay.

Well threads like this are not very helpful to that cause. I can't stop people like Snowstalker and Oakvale from making threads and posts about me in the hopes of getting me banned. The people who hate me and were gnashing their teeth at my unbanning were going to find some reason to attack, in this case they've decided to latch onto this notion that I'm a sexual "degenerate" guilty of posting "explicit sexual content" all over this "family friendly" forum, which is complete nonsense.

And it's offensive nonsense since many people will believe these claims when they come from long-time, popular, "respectable" posters like Oakvale- who used to be my friend when I was an actual HP but now obsessively wants me banned.

According to the current poll 46.7% of the forum believe I am guilty of bannable offenses in the less than 2 weeks that I've been back on the forum, which is absurd from any sort of objective POV. If 46.7% just don't like me, fine, but to say I have committed ban-worthy offenses is just hackishness.

Meanwhile I've heard from people who hated old Libertas, were initially against my unbanning, but have since PMed me to say they've changed their minds acknowledge that I've proven that I've changed for the better. If only all Atlasians were so objective and willing to let old grudges go.
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2015, 06:36:31 PM »

No, I don't think it was.
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2015, 06:47:58 PM »

Yeah sure, why not? If you don't like his posts put him on ignore. Not that difficult.

I find the organized hate campaign against him because of like two posts he made much more offensive than anything he's done since his unbanning.

Yeah Bacon King said he was deleting all the posts I've made containing any references to sexual content on-sight... and he confirmed to me the only thing he deleted was that one story, which was intended to be a humorous anecdote and nothing more, and which I had already stated would be the last story I would share on Atlas Forum to avoid further unexpected controversy.

However certain people will keep repeating lies that I'm posting "sexually explicit" content all over the forum, like Snowstalker claiming that I've engaged in "obnoxiously slutty behavior" in the PAPOY thread, here is my "obnoxiously slutty" contribution to the PAPOY thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=205070.msg4445097#msg4445097

I don't think that's the real problem here. The problem is that you seem to retain your previous unnecessary belligerent attitude, overreacting to every little thing and creating more. The whole controversy would've be gone already had you simply ignored people bitching just for the bitching's sake.

Defending myself against lies is "belligerent"? There are certain posters who are going around claiming that I am posting "sexually explicit" content all over the forum, i.e. lying. Like Snowstalker claiming I engaged in "obnoxiously slutty behavior" on the PAPOY thread. Can you tell me what was "obnoxiously slutty" about my post in PAPOY?

If I remain silent, then mods/admins will keep running across these lies and assume they are true. Would you like it if certain people who just disliked you went all over the forum saying "Kalwejt has been posting pornography all over the forum! Ban him!" Why don't you tell the people who just dislike me and are determined to fabricate any reason to ban me to just stop telling lies about me. 

Unfortunately, you are not going to keep certain types from beating this thing like a proverbial dead horse. By reacting every time, you're only going to help to escalate the whole thing. They're baiting you and you're giving them exactly what the want. Eventually, the whole thing will dissipate, just don't help them keep it alive.

Also, I quite sure Nym or Dave wouldn't ban anybody because of some hearsay.

Well threads like this are not very helpful to that cause. I can't stop people like Snowstalker and Oakvale from making threads and posts about me in the hopes of getting me banned. The people who hate me and were gnashing their teeth at my unbanning were going to find some reason to attack, in this case they've decided to latch onto this notion that I'm a sexual "degenerate" guilty of posting "explicit sexual content" all over this "family friendly" forum, which is complete nonsense.

And it's offensive nonsense since many people will believe these claims when they come from long-time, popular, "respectable" posters like Oakvale- who used to be my friend when I was an actual HP but now obsessively wants me banned.

According to the current poll 46.7% of the forum believe I am guilty of bannable offenses in the less than 2 weeks that I've been back on the forum, which is absurd from any sort of objective POV. If 46.7% just don't like me, fine, but to say I have committed ban-worthy offenses is just hackishness.

Meanwhile I've heard from people who hated old Libertas, were initially against my unbanning, but have since PMed me to say they've changed their minds acknowledge that I've proven that I've changed for the better. If only all Atlasians were so objective and willing to let old grudges go.

I agree with Polnut that there's no organized witchhunt here. At most there are two or three people who loves to exxadurate. The whole thing was blown out of proportions and that can be annoying, but you should be above that.

I'm not saying this to attack you, since I was one of those supporting your return from the beggining. But some of your actions, such as making that Lief v. Oakvale poll, was quite unhelpful.
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2015, 06:48:24 PM »

Yes, this all seems to be very overblown
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2015, 07:02:47 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2015, 07:14:39 PM by Bacon King »

Absolutely. The prudes are just jealous that their lives aren't as interesting.

I'm a prude now?  He's not a positive influence on the forum, although that is merely my subjective opinion. Please stay warm for the winter! Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2015, 07:39:34 PM »

Yeah sure, why not? If you don't like his posts put him on ignore. Not that difficult.

I find the organized hate campaign against him because of like two posts he made much more offensive than anything he's done since his unbanning.

Yeah Bacon King said he was deleting all the posts I've made containing any references to sexual content on-sight... and he confirmed to me the only thing he deleted was that one story, which was intended to be a humorous anecdote and nothing more, and which I had already stated would be the last story I would share on Atlas Forum to avoid further unexpected controversy.

However certain people will keep repeating lies that I'm posting "sexually explicit" content all over the forum, like Snowstalker claiming that I've engaged in "obnoxiously slutty behavior" in the PAPOY thread, here is my "obnoxiously slutty" contribution to the PAPOY thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=205070.msg4445097#msg4445097

I don't think that's the real problem here. The problem is that you seem to retain your previous unnecessary belligerent attitude, overreacting to every little thing and creating more. The whole controversy would've be gone already had you simply ignored people bitching just for the bitching's sake.

Defending myself against lies is "belligerent"? There are certain posters who are going around claiming that I am posting "sexually explicit" content all over the forum, i.e. lying. Like Snowstalker claiming I engaged in "obnoxiously slutty behavior" on the PAPOY thread. Can you tell me what was "obnoxiously slutty" about my post in PAPOY?

If I remain silent, then mods/admins will keep running across these lies and assume they are true. Would you like it if certain people who just disliked you went all over the forum saying "Kalwejt has been posting pornography all over the forum! Ban him!" Why don't you tell the people who just dislike me and are determined to fabricate any reason to ban me to just stop telling lies about me. 

Unfortunately, you are not going to keep certain types from beating this thing like a proverbial dead horse. By reacting every time, you're only going to help to escalate the whole thing. They're baiting you and you're giving them exactly what the want. Eventually, the whole thing will dissipate, just don't help them keep it alive.

Also, I quite sure Nym or Dave wouldn't ban anybody because of some hearsay.

Well threads like this are not very helpful to that cause. I can't stop people like Snowstalker and Oakvale from making threads and posts about me in the hopes of getting me banned. The people who hate me and were gnashing their teeth at my unbanning were going to find some reason to attack, in this case they've decided to latch onto this notion that I'm a sexual "degenerate" guilty of posting "explicit sexual content" all over this "family friendly" forum, which is complete nonsense.

And it's offensive nonsense since many people will believe these claims when they come from long-time, popular, "respectable" posters like Oakvale- who used to be my friend when I was an actual HP but now obsessively wants me banned.

According to the current poll 46.7% of the forum believe I am guilty of bannable offenses in the less than 2 weeks that I've been back on the forum, which is absurd from any sort of objective POV. If 46.7% just don't like me, fine, but to say I have committed ban-worthy offenses is just hackishness.

Meanwhile I've heard from people who hated old Libertas, were initially against my unbanning, but have since PMed me to say they've changed their minds acknowledge that I've proven that I've changed for the better. If only all Atlasians were so objective and willing to let old grudges go.

I agree with Polnut that there's no organized witchhunt here. At most there are two or three people who loves to exxadurate. The whole thing was blown out of proportions and that can be annoying, but you should be above that.

I'm not saying this to attack you, since I was one of those supporting your return from the beggining. But some of your actions, such as making that Lief v. Oakvale poll, was quite unhelpful.

Well the Lief vs. Oakvale poll seemed like a good idea for a matchup since both are popular posters and have their own 'bases' of support on Atlas, despite having very different personalities, major difference in term of sense of humor, ideas about how the forum should be, etc. Other posters (particularly Oakvale himself) chose to try to make it all about me.

As I noted in that thread, Lief has always been one of my favorite posters even when I was a right-wing troll, and by twist of fate he has also been one of my strongest supporters since my unbanning. He is also a strong opebo supporter. Oakvale is the opposite of Lief in many ways, yet also remains popular. So it was a fair and competitive matchup.
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2015, 08:04:24 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2015, 08:07:38 PM by sex-negative feminist prude »

Absolutely. The prudes are just jealous that their lives aren't as interesting.

I'm a prude now?  He's a cancer.  DIAF.

Prudishness is to memphis what sluggishly-progressing schizophrenia was to the Soviet mental health establishment: It's something that he ascribes to anyone who disagrees with him, and has next to no meaning outside of that. If I started calling anyone who disagrees with me a slut I'd be (rightly) criticized, infracted, and, probably, eventually, banned, but somehow he gets away with this.
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2015, 09:07:41 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2015, 09:16:43 PM by memphis »

I don't think Gramps is a prude. I don't have much insight into his views in this particular case, but I'm sure he has his reasons. At the same time, it's not hard to tease out why certain other posters abhor the idea of someone suggesting a sexual encounter with a man (and a very unorthodox and submissive one at that) ended without causing extreme mental anguish. It completely demolishes their entire premise that interacting with a man must, by definition, be a terrible, scarring event. Once you knock away their foundation that sex with a man is a supremely traumatic thing, they have nothing at all to stand on. The reasoning is not so much anti-gay as it is anti-man, but for obvious reasons, the impact is the same.
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2015, 09:20:43 PM »

I don't think Gramps is a prude. I don't have much insight into his views in this particular case, but I'm sure he has his reasons. At the same time, it's not hard to tease out why certain other posters abhor the idea of someone suggesting a sexual encounter with a man (and a very unorthodox and submissive one at that) ended without causing extreme mental anguish. It completely demolishes their entire premise that interacting with a man must, by definition, be a terrible, scarring event. Once you knock away their foundation that sex with a man is a supremely traumatic thing, they have nothing at all to stand on. The reasoning is not so much anti-gay as it is anti-man, but for obvious reasons, the impact is the same.

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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2015, 10:02:36 PM »

Absolutely. The prudes are just jealous that their lives aren't as interesting.

I'm a prude now?  He's a cancer.  DIAF.

Yes.

And your other comments, calling me a "cancer" and telling another poster to "die in a fire" are completely inappropriate and utterly nasty. Grow up, old man.
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2015, 10:48:37 PM »

I don't think Gramps is a prude. I don't have much insight into his views in this particular case, but I'm sure he has his reasons. At the same time, it's not hard to tease out why certain other posters abhor the idea of someone suggesting a sexual encounter with a man (and a very unorthodox and submissive one at that) ended without causing extreme mental anguish. It completely demolishes their entire premise that interacting with a man must, by definition, be a terrible, scarring event. Once you knock away their foundation that sex with a man is a supremely traumatic thing, they have nothing at all to stand on. The reasoning is not so much anti-gay as it is anti-man, but for obvious reasons, the impact is the same.




That looks like Josh Blue. Is that Libertas?

Anyway, what was the original banning about? I'm picking up that it must have been something interpreted as sexually explicit.

I don't think anyone should be banned unless they're flat out abusive and disruptive. Bar rules, you know? Conversations can go anywhere but the drunk asshole who starts throwin' 'bows has got to go. That being said, a lot of gays are over the top when it comes to bringing up sex. But I have no idea what happened.
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2015, 10:52:33 PM »

I don't think Gramps is a prude. I don't have much insight into his views in this particular case, but I'm sure he has his reasons. At the same time, it's not hard to tease out why certain other posters abhor the idea of someone suggesting a sexual encounter with a man (and a very unorthodox and submissive one at that) ended without causing extreme mental anguish. It completely demolishes their entire premise that interacting with a man must, by definition, be a terrible, scarring event. Once you knock away their foundation that sex with a man is a supremely traumatic thing, they have nothing at all to stand on. The reasoning is not so much anti-gay as it is anti-man, but for obvious reasons, the impact is the same.


I have been called many disgusting things on this forum before, but libertarian takes the cake. I also don't care much for hats. I'm not a bald.  And, again, with the non-sequitor ad hominems that never address anything I have to say.
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2015, 10:58:53 PM »

I don't get this whole fedora thing?

I learned a lot about this whole underworld of misogynistic "PUA" (pick up artists) people, read some nonsense on a website called "Return of Kings", and then "wizardchan", a website for "incels", involuntary celibates who consider themselves wizards for being virgins and not having sex with women (both groups being deeply homophobic; besides railing against 'succubi', their term for women, they regularly bashed 'fags', of course their go-term for gays)...after that virgin rampage killer in California whose name escapes me at the moment.

But I love fedoras, I have a huge hat collection of fedoras, trilbies, bowler hats, pork pie hats, caps, berets, etc...how did fedoras get mixed up in that nonsense?
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2015, 11:51:14 PM »

I think Libertas will be fine as long as he doesn't keep acting like the victim of some organised witchhunt.

It's funny you should say that, as I had him on ignore in both of his incarnations my only interaction with him was a fantasy politics case where he acted extraordinarily paranoid, as though he were being persecuted in a collaboration of all these separate people.

I did read a few of his recent stories, and found them amusing, but I think he has a very abrasive nature that does not seem to have mellowed.  I don't remember why he was banned, and I'd prefer to see contributors who wish to return be given a chance to do so.  But he certainly strikes me as someone who has not changed on a truly fundamental level.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2015, 11:55:44 PM »

I think Libertas will be fine as long as he doesn't keep acting like the victim of some organised witchhunt.

It's funny you should say that, as I had him on ignore in both of his incarnations my only interaction with him was a fantasy politics case where he acted extraordinarily paranoid, as though he were being persecuted in a collaboration of all these separate people.

I did read a few of his recent stories, and found them amusing, but I think he has a very abrasive nature that does not seem to have mellowed.  I don't remember why he was banned, and I'd prefer to see contributors who wish to return be given a chance to do so.  But he certainly strikes me as someone who has not changed on a truly fundamental level.

The 'old' Libertas certainly had an abrasive nature, however I really am not getting where you are getting this idea that I am "abrasive" now, especially if you have me on ignore.

Likewise, how do I strike you as someone "someone who has not changed on a truly fundamental level" when you haven't interacted with me and you have me on ignore?
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2015, 12:00:39 AM »

I think Libertas will be fine as long as he doesn't keep acting like the victim of some organised witchhunt.

It's funny you should say that, as I had him on ignore in both of his incarnations my only interaction with him was a fantasy politics case where he acted extraordinarily paranoid, as though he were being persecuted in a collaboration of all these separate people.

I did read a few of his recent stories, and found them amusing, but I think he has a very abrasive nature that does not seem to have mellowed.  I don't remember why he was banned, and I'd prefer to see contributors who wish to return be given a chance to do so.  But he certainly strikes me as someone who has not changed on a truly fundamental level.

The 'old' Libertas certainly had an abrasive nature, however I really am not getting where you are getting this idea that I am "abrasive" now, especially if you have me on ignore.

Likewise, how do I strike you as someone "someone who has not changed on a truly fundamental level" when you haven't interacted with me and you have me on ignore?

Note... "had".
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2015, 12:07:45 AM »

I think Libertas will be fine as long as he doesn't keep acting like the victim of some organised witchhunt.

It's funny you should say that, as I had him on ignore in both of his incarnations my only interaction with him was a fantasy politics case where he acted extraordinarily paranoid, as though he were being persecuted in a collaboration of all these separate people.

I did read a few of his recent stories, and found them amusing, but I think he has a very abrasive nature that does not seem to have mellowed.  I don't remember why he was banned, and I'd prefer to see contributors who wish to return be given a chance to do so.  But he certainly strikes me as someone who has not changed on a truly fundamental level.

The 'old' Libertas certainly had an abrasive nature, however I really am not getting where you are getting this idea that I am "abrasive" now, especially if you have me on ignore.

Likewise, how do I strike you as someone "someone who has not changed on a truly fundamental level" when you haven't interacted with me and you have me on ignore?

Note... "had".

He said he had me on ignore in both of my 'incarnations', which means he has had me on ignore both as the 'old' Libertas and the 'new' Libertas who has only been here 2 weeks. He doesn't say anywhere that he took me off ignore, and even he had, we've had zero interaction with each other.
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2015, 12:18:42 AM »

I don't think I 're-ignored' you.  It must have been the default setting when your account was unbanned.  Anyway, the context of my post (and I could have been more clear) is that I began reading your posts a few days ago, so for example, I think I read the stories of a sexual nature that some of the other posters are disparaging.  I found them amusing, personally.

Just as I had read these, I stumbled upon your response here and thought less of you, both for using all caps and then not plainly asking a question of some kind.  And you never cook.  That's disgraceful.  Tongue
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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2015, 12:48:57 AM »

I don't think I 're-ignored' you.  It must have been the default setting when your account was unbanned.  Anyway, the context of my post (and I could have been more clear) is that I began reading your posts a few days ago, so for example, I think I read the stories of a sexual nature that some of the other posters are disparaging.  I found them amusing, personally.

Just as I had read these, I stumbled upon your response here and thought less of you, both for using all caps and then not plainly asking a question of some kind.  And you never cook.  That's disgraceful.  Tongue

LOL well perhaps I was being too harsh in saying NEVER. When I have a hangover, I do make eggs for the cysteine to help break down the alcohol ASAP. I do know how to boil pasta and even make a filetto di pomodoro sauce. Though I only eat whole wheat pasta these days. But when I was at college I couldn't cook (besides using a dorm room microwave) and was on a meal plan with college dining facilities, and now that I'm living at home again my mother cooks and she would not want me cooking in her kitchen. The only time I've ever cooked regularly was when I studied abroad in Rome, Italy and had a very nice appartamento in Trastevere with a full kitchen, and no cafeteria to go to nor mother to cook for me, but a grocery store right next door, so I was forced to learn how to cook some basic food items or else spend every last euro I had on dining out. (Though the kebab place right next to our apartment was my cheap 'fast food' option there when I was too lazy to cook, I still miss my piatto falafel and panino kebab!). I wish I had more culinary abilities though. Sad

Anyway I did ask an indirect question, as Retromike answered below. Tongue
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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2015, 12:52:10 AM »

Yes, because it is the way of Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2015, 07:18:10 AM »

I don't think Gramps is a prude. I don't have much insight into his views in this particular case, but I'm sure he has his reasons. At the same time, it's not hard to tease out why certain other posters abhor the idea of someone suggesting a sexual encounter with a man (and a very unorthodox and submissive one at that) ended without causing extreme mental anguish. It completely demolishes their entire premise that interacting with a man must, by definition, be a terrible, scarring event. Once you knock away their foundation that sex with a man is a supremely traumatic thing, they have nothing at all to stand on. The reasoning is not so much anti-gay as it is anti-man, but for obvious reasons, the impact is the same.


I have been called many disgusting things on this forum before, but libertarian takes the cake. I also don't care much for hats. I'm not a bald.  And, again, with the non-sequitor ad hominems that never address anything I have to say.

It's because the things you have to say are non-sequitur ad hominems that don't address anything anyone else says.

Your comment is especially ludicrous since the event Libertas described clearly DID cause him mental anguish. It's amusing that when someone explicitly describes events in their life where they were sexually abused my men you STILL refuse to acknowledge it and even go so far as to imply it is a good thing. The reasoning is not so much anti-Libertas as it is pro-rape, but, for obvious reasons, the impact is a lot worse.
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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2015, 09:25:58 AM »

However certain people will keep repeating lies that I'm posting "sexually explicit" content all over the forum, like Snowstalker claiming that I've engaged in "obnoxiously slutty behavior" in the PAPOY thread, here is my "obnoxiously slutty" contribution to the PAPOY thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=205070.msg4445097#msg4445097

Snowstalker would prefer that all gay men posting in that thread adorn full burka before taking photos of themselves.

The only thing notable about those pics of Libertas is that he's kind of posing like girls often do in selfies.  I'm irritated that Snow would call that "slutty". 

Has your leftism been relegated to economic matters, dude?
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« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2015, 09:34:44 AM »

Absolutely. The prudes are just jealous that their lives aren't as interesting.

I'm a prude now?  He's a cancer.  DIAF.

Yes.

And your other comments, calling me a "cancer" and telling another poster to "die in a fire" are completely inappropriate and utterly nasty. Grow up, old man.

Nasty?  Probably, but I don't care.  Inappropriate?  Quite appropriate considering the massive attention whoring and vitriol headed your way by a great number of posters.

You and the Roach, and Kyle Mercado of Bakersfield CA, TROLL and others are all part of the same club.

Go away, please.
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« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2015, 10:13:39 AM »

Libertas, did the events of your story cause you mental anguish? That was not my interpretation of your narrative.
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« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2015, 10:39:09 AM »

Libertas, did the events of your story cause you mental anguish? That was not my interpretation of your narrative.

Well I was never given the chance to discuss my own feelings, then and now, about my experiences with that guy. It was a rather multilayered complex story about experiences with a complicated individual, and I certainly spent a lot of time thinking about him and the whole situation while on dates with him, debating whether to go on another date with him, and in retrospect now that it's all in the past. Unfortunately certain simpletons just zeroed in on the "eww gay people engage in sexual activity?" suggestion as part of their campaign to ban me, so the whole story has been disappeared from the forum, and I'm hesitant to go into further detail about a story that was a source of such controversy. My original intention to follow up the second 'chapter' of that story with more detail about what was going on in my own head was obviously 86ed in light of the controversy.
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