Challenge: Describe a Kerry 2004/Mccain2008 Voter

[OSR stands with Israel]

I Can't

[Boston Bread]

What bush did they vote for in 2008???

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Racist Southerner who ancestrally voted Democrat up until Kerry but hates Obama as a black Muslim and McCain as a RINO and writes in good Southern conservative George W. Bush in 2008 as a protest vote

[Intell]

Who voted for Bush in 2008 ?

A Kerry 2004/ McCain 2008 could be McCain Supporters and Independents who did not like Bush because he was too Conservative but liked McCain because he was a ' so called'  maverick.

[OSR stands with Israel]

What bush did they vote for in 2008???

Fixed it

[IceSpear]

Appalachian/Southern ancestral Democrats and Arizonans who liked McCain as their Senator.

[Nichlemn]

A lot of racists, but also a fair few in MA and AZ who voted on home state effects. Probably a decent number of Vietnam veterans and other personally pro-military types, who picked the veteran in both elections.

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

My ex-girlfriend. She was in college during the '04 election and like many college students, was very anti-war. However, by the '08 election, she was working and making money and didn't like what she saw as Obama's "share the wealth" rhetoric.

I'm waiting for a Mondale '84/Bush '88 thread. I think my grandfather might fit into that category. He's a fairly partisan Democrat, and he's never told me how he voted in '84, but he said he voted Bush in '88 because he just didn't like Dukakis. I know he also voted for Carter in '80. He's said good things about Reagan personally and his foreign policy, but he has been critical of his domestic policy so he might've voted Mondale in '84...I just don't know.

Okay enough personal info for one day.

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

A lot of racists, but also a fair few in MA and AZ who voted on home state effects. Probably a decent number of Vietnam veterans and other personally pro-military types, who picked the veteran in both elections.

Pro-military types might also have been Dole '96/Gore '00 voters.....assuming they were just picking the veteran.

[Kraxner]

Appalachian/Southern ancestral Democrats and Arizonans who liked McCain as their Senator.

Also Hillary voters, she won areas with lots of scots-irish in the 2008 primary probably because Bill was Scots-irish.

Plus McCain IS scots-irish himself.

And they knew from start that Obama was going to try to destroy the coal industry and six years later they were right all along.

[Kraxner]

Appalachian/Southern ancestral Democrats and Arizonans who liked McCain as their Senator.

Also Hillary voters, she won areas with lots of scots-irish in the 2008 primary probably because Bill was Scots-irish.

Plus McCain IS scots-irish himself.

And they knew from start that Obama was going to try to destroy the coal industry and six years later they were right all along.

You really think people in the 21st century are voting based on ancestry? Then why did Greek Dukakis beat WASP Bush in 1988 in WV?

Are you serious?






Also dukakis won west virginia because it was the last of the solid south states that didnt yet lean republicans unlike the rest of the south, until 2000 when the Gore campaign adopted an anti-gun and anti-coal platform.


Plus despite nearly the whole south switching to reagan in 1980, it was one of the three southern states that didnt go for reagan in 1980.

[TDAS04]

Lots of racist PUMAs in Arkansas. 

[Kraxner]

Lots of racist PUMAs in Arkansas. 

Actually Hillary was leading in this state in 2008 by 1-5% points, for some reason a lot of the red avatars find it inconceivable that the reason they swung against the democrats isnt because of "RACISM!!!"


but because that region liked hillary.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/McCainClintonMatchup.png


Had hillary been the nominee then the democrats would of won missourah, arkansaw, west virginiah, kentucky instead of Virginia and North Carolina.

Just like Bill did in 1992 and 1996.


Also if those states where racist then whats obama when he said that the region "clung to faith and guns"?

[Libertarian Socialist Dem]

A racist southern Democrat as some people have pointed out. Also some older Jewish Democrats who may have bought into the rhetoric that Obama was somehow anti-Israel. This is actually a fairly easy one.

[RINO Tom]

Racist Southerner who ancestrally voted Democrat up until Kerry but hates Obama as a black Muslim and McCain as a RINO and writes in good Southern conservative George W. Bush in 2008 as a protest vote

So the voter that pined for a "good Southern conservative like George W. Bush" voted against him in 2004 in favor of John Kerry?  LOL, okay.

I'd say the group with the biggest swing would be people who are now likely dead: older Dixiecrats who refused to ever vote Republican until the Democratic Party did, in fact, nominate a Black candidate - the folks who were slowly replaced by the Newt Gingrich generation that was a lot less sympathetic to fiscal populism that had won in the South throughout the '60s, '70s and '80s.

[Liberalrocks]

Me,

But I will add that I voted for Obama in 2012.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Clinton supporters in Arkansas.

[bobloblaw]

I Can't

You cant??

It is easy. A old Blue Dog Dem in the south. Just look at the margins of victory for Bush v McCain in WV, AR, LA, TN and KY. Appalachia is where it happened. John Murtha's congrressional district went Kerry in 2004 and McCain in 2008

[PulaskiSkywayDriver]

My grandfather. He was a Jewish Florida Democrat who had also voted Republican from 80 to 92.

[ElectionsGuy]

There's actually a lot of options here:

Appalachian whites (especially "coal country")
White registered Democrats in Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Arkansas
Racists (not a lot of people, but still enough to mention)
People not affected by the recession (most likely the rich)

[Württemberger]

There's actually a lot of options here:

Appalachian whites (especially "coal country")
White registered Democrats in Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Arkansas
Racists (not a lot of people, but still enough to mention)
People not affected by the recession (most likely the rich)

That's right. I would also add many white Hillary supporters (especially from the South/Midwest/WV) and Democrats who admire McCain to that list.

[Intell]

A White, Blue Dog Democrat in the Upper South. Probably in West Virginia, Kentucky and Aransas. Didn't vote for Obama because of his Cultural Liberalism, issues like coal and energy and got dis-enfranchised with the democratic party because of the party's positions on social issues.

Or, some Die-Hard Clinton Supports.

Or, some military men because both Kerry and McCain honorably served in the military and Obama and Bush did not.

[CountryClassSF]

PUMA

[morgieb]

Ancestral Dems from the South/Appalachia put off by Obama's 'exoticness'/perceived cultural liberalism (i.e. racism). (this one would be the most common by far)

General racists (though this would be very small)

The odd home state effect for McCain/Kerry - i.e. people who usually vote for the other party but liked them as Senators.

Pro-military types who saw Kerry and McCain as honourable citizens but didn't think Obama and Bush served their country well, perhaps?

The odd PUMA (different from #1 slightly).