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« on: January 18, 2015, 10:28:55 PM »

Barry Goldwater- Liberatarian
Henry Scoop Jackson- Moderate Republican
Eisenhower- Democrat
Joe Mccarthy- Tea Party Republican
Robert Taft- Liberatrian
Henry Wallace- Socialist
George Wallace- Constitution
JFK - Democrat

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2015, 10:37:41 PM »

I think a better way is to compare them to modern politicians.  In this case, I'll use Senators/Reprsentatives

Barry Goldwater = Rand Paul
Henry Scoop Jackson = Dianne Feinstein
Eisenhower = Mark Kirk or Scott Rigell
Joe McCarthy = Ted Cruz (very, very easy to see this connection) or Allen West
Robert Taft = Walter Jones
George Wallace = Richard Shelby or Jeff Sessions
JFK = Seth Moulton
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2015, 12:34:16 AM »

Yeah Scoop Jackson was quite liberal on economic issues. Plenty of Democrats are hawkish on foreign policy so I can't see why he'd switch parties. Joe McCarthy would definitely be a neocon teabagger. Also Rand Paul strikes me as more of a Bob Taft then a Barry Goldwater as Goldwater was more hawkish.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 01:15:52 AM »

Goldwater-Socially liberal version of John McCain or Lindsey Graham
Scoop Jackson-More hawkish Sherrod Brown
Eisenhower-Centrist Democrat like Michael Bennet
Joe McCarthy-Tea Party Congressman, possibly rather akin to Joni Ernst
Robert Taft-Strongly conservative but Establishment Republican-possibly Pat Toomey
Henry Wallace-Antiwar prairie populist-Tom Harkin with Kucinich or at least Wyden's view on foreign policy/civil liberties
George Wallace-One of the last Southern white Democrats like Mark Pryor
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 10:26:17 AM »

Barry Goldwater- Liberatarian
Henry Scoop Jackson- Moderate Republican
Eisenhower- Democrat
Joe Mccarthy- Tea Party Republican
Robert Taft- Liberatrian
Henry Wallace- Socialist
George Wallace- Constitution
JFK - Democrat




Barry Goldwater — Republican
Dwight Eisenhower — Democrat
Joseph McCarthy — Private Party for Satan
Henry Wallace — Same as Ralph Nader
George Wallace — Republican
John Kennedy — Democrat
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2015, 11:03:57 AM »

George Wallace would still be a democrat.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2015, 11:22:59 AM »


Barry Goldwater — Republican

Robert Taft- Libertarian

Dwight Eisenhower — Democrat

Joseph McCarthy — Republican (The Tea Party kind)

Henry Wallace — Democrat (specifically because of the Southern Strategy and the Great Society)

George Wallace — Republican (Endorsed Bob Dole over Clinton)

John Kennedy — Democrat
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2015, 12:24:50 PM »

Dwight Eisenhower would not be a Democrat, that's ridiculous.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2015, 12:27:29 PM »

Dwight Eisenhower would not be a Democrat, that's ridiculous.

Yes he would, given the current GOP has little regard for much other than decreasing the same capital gains Eisenhower raised to 90%, going out of their way to screw with social services, and worship the military complex Eisenhower spoke against...it's obvious Eisenhower has no place in the party of Reagan
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2015, 12:31:42 PM »
« Edited: January 19, 2015, 04:09:54 PM by Türkisblau »

I think a better way is to compare them to modern politicians.  In this case, I'll use Senators/Reprsentatives

Barry Goldwater = Rand Paul
Henry Scoop Jackson = Dianne Feinstein
Eisenhower = Mark Kirk or Scott Rigell
Joe McCarthy = Ted Cruz (very, very easy to see this connection) or Allen West
Robert Taft = Walter Jones
George Wallace = Richard Shelby or Jeff Sessions
JFK = Seth Moulton

lol the faux-moderate republican representative who is a car salesman
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2015, 12:46:11 PM »

Dwight Eisenhower would not be a Democrat, that's ridiculous.

Yes he would, given the current GOP has little regard for much other than decreasing the same capital gains Eisenhower raised to 90%, going out of their way to screw with social services, and worship the military complex Eisenhower spoke against...it's obvious Eisenhower has no place in the party of Reagan

Eisenhower is probably second to Coolidge as having the most conservative Presidency in the 20th Century.  Those "high taxes" he had came in an era when there were several more ways to get money back on your taxes, and fewer people paid them; it's simply false that people in the 1950s paid a higher effective tax rate than people today.  Eisenhower literally campaigned on Democrats being too weak on communism (Adalai the Appeaser ring any bells?), he was constantly attacked by Democrats as a corporatist and typical Republican "only caring about the rich."  If people like Susan Collins, Charlie Baker, Olympia Snowe, etc. are Republicans today, it's idiotic to think that Eisenhower wouldn't be.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2015, 01:03:50 PM »

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George Wallace — Republican (Endorsed Bob Dole over Clinton)
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2015, 01:11:09 PM »

Barry Goldwater - Republican
Henry Jackson - Democratic
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Bob Taft - Republican
Henry Wallace - Republican (he swung back to the right during the Korean War, endorsed Eisenhower twice and Nixon in 1960, after all. Would probably be a moderate Republican today)
George Wallace - Democratic (stayed a Democrat when others didn't, after all)
John F. Kennedy - Democratic
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2015, 03:15:43 PM »


Just googled it and found it in an old newspaper.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2015, 03:29:19 PM »

Eisenhower wouldn't be a Democrat, it's very difficult to be a career military officer in today's world and end up not a Republican (Wes Clark being an exception that proves the rule).

That's not to say that Ike would be thrilled with the contemporary Republican Party...it has a...and I realize certain people will hate this word choice...radical streak that Ike, a man of very conservative temperament, would find distasteful. Ike wanted to be an able steward and not rock the boat, the current Congress seems more eager to capsize the boat if they don't get what they want.
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2015, 03:50:43 PM »

Barry Goldwater - Republican
Henry Jackson - Democratic
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Bob Taft - Republican
Henry Wallace - Republican (he swung back to the right during the Korean War, endorsed Eisenhower twice and Nixon in 1960, after all. Would probably be a moderate Republican today)
George Wallace - Democratic (stayed a Democrat when others didn't, after all)
John F. Kennedy - Democratic

Why would Henry Jackson and George Wallave be a democrat lol and why would Henry Wallace be a republican when he basically ran on a socialist platfrom in 1948
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2015, 03:59:09 PM »

Well Henry Wallace did endorse Dwight Eisenhower both times and Richard Nixon, plus I believe he was originally a moderate Republican.
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2015, 04:19:04 PM »

Barry Goldwater - Republican
Henry Jackson - Democratic
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Bob Taft - Republican
Henry Wallace - Republican (he swung back to the right during the Korean War, endorsed Eisenhower twice and Nixon in 1960, after all. Would probably be a moderate Republican today)
George Wallace - Democratic (stayed a Democrat when others didn't, after all)
John F. Kennedy - Democratic

Why would Henry Jackson and George Wallave be a democrat lol and why would Henry Wallace be a republican when he basically ran on a socialist platfrom in 1948

How about because George Wallace almost lived to see George W. Bush become President and remained a Democrat until the day he died?
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2015, 05:00:52 PM »

Or that Wallace was elected governor of Alabama the last time in 1982 as a proud Democrat on the strength of the black vote? And, yes right up to his death in 1998 he was a very outspoken Democrat. I don't see him changing in the past 15-odd years. If one was going to make the Dem-GOP switch 1994 was basically the acid test.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2015, 05:37:08 PM »

Barry Goldwater - Republican
Henry Jackson - Democratic
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Bob Taft - Republican
Henry Wallace - Republican (he swung back to the right during the Korean War, endorsed Eisenhower twice and Nixon in 1960, after all. Would probably be a moderate Republican today)
George Wallace - Democratic (stayed a Democrat when others didn't, after all)
John F. Kennedy - Democratic

Why would Henry Jackson and George Wallave be a democrat lol and why would Henry Wallace be a republican when he basically ran on a socialist platfrom in 1948

Because Henry Jackson was pretty much the poster child for what the AFL-CIO wanted in a candidate in the 1970s. He was a hawk, yes, but he was also for price controls, universal health insurance, and other social democratic measures. Comparing him to Joe Lieberman is easy enough at first glance but it ignores the fact that Lieberman has always been something of a moderate or centrist, whereas Jackson was a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. Liberalism has only been defined by being less gung-ho about sending American troops to die in foreign countries since the 1980s. Prior to that, the Democratic Party (particularly its liberal wing) were the most enthusiastic backers of military spending and military intervention abroad. Hence Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and (albeit in a modified way) Jimmy Carter, who was far less liberal than any of his predecessors on economic policy questions and was more or less Reagan 1.0 in terms of domestic policy.

Henry Wallace was a businessman who believed in progressive capitalism. He never campaigned on anything close to the socialist programs advocated by the post-war Labour and social democratic governments in Europe  (iirc, there was a furious debate at the Progressive Party convention about nationalization of industry, which Wallace flatly opposed. Compare that with Clement Attlee and subsequent Labour governments nationalizing the 'commanding heights' of industry just about every time they got into government) and supported the rights of Communists and others persecuted by the U.S. government on civil liberties grounds, not on the grounds that they were necessarily people the United States should emulate. He rejected overt support from the CP and shifted from being an opponent of Truman to an enthusiastic backer in 1950 with the Korean War. Again, the guy backed Eisenhower twice and then Nixon in 1960, so I think you're really kind of grasping at straws here saying that Wallace, who was raised a Republican and only briefly joined the Democratic Party, would be anything to the left of the Democrats today. Perhaps the Wallace of the late 1940s would be a Democrat, but the Wallace who died in the 1960s would not, because that Wallace had changed his mind on a number of issues and moved rightward.
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2015, 07:17:46 PM »

Or that Wallace was elected governor of Alabama the last time in 1982 as a proud Democrat on the strength of the black vote? And, yes right up to his death in 1998 he was a very outspoken Democrat. I don't see him changing in the past 15-odd years. If one was going to make the Dem-GOP switch 1994 was basically the acid test.

Yep.  There were certainly SOME socially and fiscally conservative Southern Democrats who were literally part of the party because of tradition and eventually left (Thurmond and Helms come to mind), but there were also a lot of fiscally populist and even socially moderate Southern Dems who just happened to also be segregationists at one time ... That describes Wallace.
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2015, 08:41:11 PM »

Did no one read the link that Turkisblau posted? Wallace endorsed Dole in 1995, a year before the election. He also said that Alabama was turning Republican because Clinton was "so liberal" and that he voted for Bush in '92. I don't see anything to indicate he was still calling himself a Democrat in later years; his son switched parties after '94 and went on to an active, if frequently unsuccessful, career in state Republican politics. Given his populist leanings, Wallace today would almost certainly be a Tea Party backer.
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2015, 08:55:04 PM »


Barry Goldwater - Republican Tea Party
Henry Jackson - Democratic
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Bob Taft - Republican Tea Party (views are much more in line with the Paulite wing of the party)
Henry Wallace - Democratic
George Wallace - Democratic
John F. Kennedy - Republican Tea Party (Nixon was the center-left candidate in 1960 and JFK's tax policies were the forerunner to Reganonomics that the Tea Party love)

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2015, 09:03:34 PM »

John F. Kennedy - Republican Tea Party (Nixon was the center-left candidate in 1960 and JFK's tax policies were the forerunner to Reganonomics that the Tea Party love)


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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2015, 09:10:14 PM »

Barry Goldwater - Cnservative Libertarian Republican
Henry Jackson -  Hawkish Democrat
Dwight Eisenhower - Centrist, Moderate  Republican
Joe McCarthy - Cringe, Ted- Cruz like  Republican
Bob Taft - Original Version of Tea Party Republican
Henry Wallace -  Moderate Democrat with Progressive ideals
George Wallace - One of the Last Remaining, Old School Populist Democrat
John F. Kennedy - Part of the Progressive, Liberal Establishment.

 

  
 
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