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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2015, 10:00:28 PM »

John F. Kennedy - Republican Tea Party (Nixon was the center-left candidate in 1960 and JFK's tax policies were the forerunner to Reganonomics that the Tea Party love)


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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2015, 10:01:12 PM »


Barry Goldwater - Republican Tea Party
Henry Jackson - Democratic
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Bob Taft - Republican Tea Party (views are much more in line with the Paulite wing of the party)
Henry Wallace - Democratic
George Wallace - Democratic
John F. Kennedy - Republican Tea Party (Nixon was the center-left candidate in 1960 and JFK's tax policies were the forerunner to Reganonomics that the Tea Party love)



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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2015, 10:12:37 PM »

Henry Wallace had no problem switching back and forth between parties. Put him down as a maverick Democrat.  The rest would still be the party they were associated with when they died - though dissatisfied and somewhat alienated from their party in the cases of Eisenhower and George Wallace, both being practically independents when it comes to national politics.
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2015, 10:31:44 PM »

John F. Kennedy - Republican Tea Party (Nixon was the center-left candidate in 1960 and JFK's tax policies were the forerunner to Reganonomics that the Tea Party love)

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2015, 11:55:54 PM »

Did no one read the link that Turkisblau posted? Wallace endorsed Dole in 1995, a year before the election. He also said that Alabama was turning Republican because Clinton was "so liberal" and that he voted for Bush in '92. I don't see anything to indicate he was still calling himself a Democrat in later years; his son switched parties after '94 and went on to an active, if frequently unsuccessful, career in state Republican politics. Given his populist leanings, Wallace today would almost certainly be a Tea Party backer.

His populist leanings - especially on fiscal issues - are a perfect example of why he WOULDN'T be in the Tea Party.
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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2015, 01:20:43 AM »

Did no one read the link that Turkisblau posted? Wallace endorsed Dole in 1995, a year before the election. He also said that Alabama was turning Republican because Clinton was "so liberal" and that he voted for Bush in '92. I don't see anything to indicate he was still calling himself a Democrat in later years; his son switched parties after '94 and went on to an active, if frequently unsuccessful, career in state Republican politics. Given his populist leanings, Wallace today would almost certainly be a Tea Party backer.

His populist leanings - especially on fiscal issues - are a perfect example of why he WOULDN'T be in the Tea Party.

? The Tea Party are very much right-wing populists.
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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2015, 06:33:48 AM »

John F. Kennedy - Republican Tea Party (Nixon was the center-left candidate in 1960 and JFK's tax policies were the forerunner to Reganonomics that the Tea Party love)


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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2015, 08:49:14 AM »

Did no one read the link that Turkisblau posted? Wallace endorsed Dole in 1995, a year before the election. He also said that Alabama was turning Republican because Clinton was "so liberal" and that he voted for Bush in '92. I don't see anything to indicate he was still calling himself a Democrat in later years; his son switched parties after '94 and went on to an active, if frequently unsuccessful, career in state Republican politics. Given his populist leanings, Wallace today would almost certainly be a Tea Party backer.

His populist leanings - especially on fiscal issues - are a perfect example of why he WOULDN'T be in the Tea Party.

? The Tea Party are very much right-wing populists.

They oppose like every fiscal policy that could be deemed populist.
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2015, 09:04:53 AM »

Did no one read the link that Turkisblau posted? Wallace endorsed Dole in 1995, a year before the election. He also said that Alabama was turning Republican because Clinton was "so liberal" and that he voted for Bush in '92. I don't see anything to indicate he was still calling himself a Democrat in later years; his son switched parties after '94 and went on to an active, if frequently unsuccessful, career in state Republican politics. Given his populist leanings, Wallace today would almost certainly be a Tea Party backer.

His populist leanings - especially on fiscal issues - are a perfect example of why he WOULDN'T be in the Tea Party.

? The Tea Party are very much right-wing populists.

They oppose like every fiscal policy that could be deemed populist.

Populism is not a f#cking ideology. It is a style. Just about any ideology could be painted in a populist light with the right amount of verbal maneuvering. It is used to frame its holder's ideology's opponents as not reflecting the needs or concerns of the "common man" and such. Reagan and Nixon were both able to use such rhetoric to get voters to vote for conservative candidates.

And those claiming that John F. Kennedy would be a Republican and Nixon a Democrat are obviously unaware of the biographies of the politicians in question. They were electoral chameleons who did what they had to get elected. Kennedy had a relatively conservative record in the Senate, but as soon as the time came for him to try to win a national Democratic primary, he began making sure to appeal to northern voters--blacks, labor, liberals, Jews.
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2015, 12:28:25 PM »

Did no one read the link that Turkisblau posted? Wallace endorsed Dole in 1995, a year before the election. He also said that Alabama was turning Republican because Clinton was "so liberal" and that he voted for Bush in '92. I don't see anything to indicate he was still calling himself a Democrat in later years; his son switched parties after '94 and went on to an active, if frequently unsuccessful, career in state Republican politics. Given his populist leanings, Wallace today would almost certainly be a Tea Party backer.

His populist leanings - especially on fiscal issues - are a perfect example of why he WOULDN'T be in the Tea Party.

? The Tea Party are very much right-wing populists.

They oppose like every fiscal policy that could be deemed populist.

Populism is not a f#cking ideology. It is a style. Just about any ideology could be painted in a populist light with the right amount of verbal maneuvering. It is used to frame its holder's ideology's opponents as not reflecting the needs or concerns of the "common man" and such. Reagan and Nixon were both able to use such rhetoric to get voters to vote for conservative candidates.

And those claiming that John F. Kennedy would be a Republican and Nixon a Democrat are obviously unaware of the biographies of the politicians in question. They were electoral chameleons who did what they had to get elected. Kennedy had a relatively conservative record in the Senate, but as soon as the time came for him to try to win a national Democratic primary, he began making sure to appeal to northern voters--blacks, labor, liberals, Jews.

Even if populism isn't an ideology technically, wouldn't you agree that society has somewhat adopted an unofficial meaning for it that often correlates with financial reform on Wall Street, increased aid to the poor and working class, making the wealthy pay their "fair share" in taxes, etc.?  Maybe that's just me, but I feel that's how the word is often used.  It seems a lot like the word "agnostic" in ways; it's defined differently than a lot of people use it, but it still has cultural (if not entirely accurate) meaning that describes a group of people.
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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2015, 02:38:43 PM »

Did no one read the link that Turkisblau posted? Wallace endorsed Dole in 1995, a year before the election. He also said that Alabama was turning Republican because Clinton was "so liberal" and that he voted for Bush in '92. I don't see anything to indicate he was still calling himself a Democrat in later years; his son switched parties after '94 and went on to an active, if frequently unsuccessful, career in state Republican politics. Given his populist leanings, Wallace today would almost certainly be a Tea Party backer.

His populist leanings - especially on fiscal issues - are a perfect example of why he WOULDN'T be in the Tea Party.

? The Tea Party are very much right-wing populists.

They oppose like every fiscal policy that could be deemed populist.

Populism is not a f#cking ideology. It is a style. Just about any ideology could be painted in a populist light with the right amount of verbal maneuvering. It is used to frame its holder's ideology's opponents as not reflecting the needs or concerns of the "common man" and such. Reagan and Nixon were both able to use such rhetoric to get voters to vote for conservative candidates.

And those claiming that John F. Kennedy would be a Republican and Nixon a Democrat are obviously unaware of the biographies of the politicians in question. They were electoral chameleons who did what they had to get elected. Kennedy had a relatively conservative record in the Senate, but as soon as the time came for him to try to win a national Democratic primary, he began making sure to appeal to northern voters--blacks, labor, liberals, Jews.

Even if populism isn't an ideology technically, wouldn't you agree that society has somewhat adopted an unofficial meaning for it that often correlates with financial reform on Wall Street, increased aid to the poor and working class, making the wealthy pay their "fair share" in taxes, etc.?  Maybe that's just me, but I feel that's how the word is often used.  It seems a lot like the word "agnostic" in ways; it's defined differently than a lot of people use it, but it still has cultural (if not entirely accurate) meaning that describes a group of people.

That's a stance that's probably pretty easy to make populist. My language was gruff. I once saw someone on this forum call... I think Nelson Rockefeller "populist" because his policies were vaguely authoritarian.

One would label the "tea party" as "right-wing populist" since the focus was on the idea that increased government would harm the common man. The whole "Joe the Plumber" moment from 2008 is a good example. Lower socioeconomic statuses were portrayed as taking away from the masses, not being part of them, and so on.
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2015, 03:05:36 PM »

Opposition on the right to the Wall Street bailout was formative to the Tea Party.  That lends itself to populism. The Tea Party sees itself in opposition to the elites and establishment in both parties.
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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2015, 03:12:51 PM »
« Edited: January 20, 2015, 03:26:07 PM by Türkisblau »

Opposition on the right to the Wall Street bailout was formative to the Tea Party.  That lends itself to populism. The Tea Party sees itself in opposition to the elites and establishment in both parties.

Yeah, I'm really not understanding what is so confusing about this. The Tea Party is by far the most successful popular movement in the past couple years.
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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2015, 09:22:22 PM »
« Edited: January 20, 2015, 09:24:03 PM by Intell »

Opposition on the right to the Wall Street bailout was formative to the Tea Party.  That lends itself to populism. The Tea Party sees itself in opposition to the elites and establishment in both parties.

Yes, that was the original intention of the Tea Party, but now it's just some fringe right-wingers,  that just wants the more conservative candidates.
The Tea Party is no longer Right-Wing Populism, like it was intended when the Tea Party was started.  
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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2015, 10:53:02 PM »

Barry Goldwater = not sure there's anyone quite like him. Though it depends what Goldwater. The Goldwater of the 50s and early 60s is more akin to Cruz or Lee. The Goldwater of the 70s and 80s is more of the Orrin Hatch (a young turk who mellows with age)

Henry Scoop Jackson = he reminds me of former congressman Norm Dicks. Big time appropriator, big time hawk, moderate on societal issues

Eisenhower - very much a Red tory republican (i.e. Rodney Frelinghuysen)

Joe Mccarthy - Louie Gohmert (as both are not taken very seriously)

Robert Taft - Steve King is the closest example as he is a throwback to the old "america first" right wing of the mid 20th century (besides Taft other examples are William Jenner, Kenneth Wherry)

Henry Wallace - considering he changed his mind after 1948, I could see him being like Kucinich (i.e. somewhat of a flake)

George Wallace - someone like Rodney Alexander. Big into pork-barrel stuff but is a republican either out of convenience or a dislike of what they see is an elitist mentality of the democratic party.

JFK - probably would have ended up like Ted.
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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2015, 01:10:32 AM »

Barry Goldwater - Republican
Scoop Jackson - Republican (seems like he's the type to go the Zel Miller route, DINO)
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Robert Taft - Obviously a Republican
Henry Wallace - Democrat
George Wallace - Some KKK party
John F. Kennedy - Democrat
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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2015, 02:03:55 AM »

Barry Goldwater - Republican
Scoop Jackson - Republican (seems like he's the type to go the Zel Miller route, DINO)
Dwight Eisenhower - Republican
Joe McCarthy - Republican
Robert Taft - Obviously a Republican
Henry Wallace - Democrat
George Wallace - Some KKK party
John F. Kennedy - Democrat

Wallace only had time for the KKK when he lost by opposing them and realized he needed them to get elected. 
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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2015, 01:39:55 PM »

Barry Goldwater: Libertarian-leaning Republican (Barry Goldwater would probably support Rand Paul in 2016)
Henry "Scoop" Jackson: Moderate Democrat (Though I believe he would have supported Ronald Reagan in 1984 and George W. Bush in 2004 due to the fact that Walter Mondale and John Kerry weren't that strong on national defense issues)
Dwight Eisenhower: Liberal Republican (Probably close to Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan ideologically)
Joe McCarthy: Far-right Republican (Joe McCarthy would probably be similar ideologically to Ted Cruz, Steve King or Allen West)
Robert Taft: Libertarian-leaning Republican (Like Barry Goldwater, Robert Taft would probably be a strong supporter of Rand Paul in 2016)
Henry Wallace:
George Wallace: Independent (I can see George Wallace supporting Democratic Senators such as Joe Manchin, Mark Pryor and Mary Landreiu and Republican Presidential candidates such as Mike Huckabee)
John F. Kennedy: Moderate Democrat (I can easily see John F. Kennedy strongly supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016)
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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2015, 05:56:49 PM »

Scoop Jackson - Republican (seems like he's the type to go the Zel Miller route, DINO)

Not really-unlike Miller, Jackson was solidly progressive on socioeconomic issues.
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