Karl Marx vs Ayn Rand

[Antonio the Sixth]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

Glad you voted for Marx.

[Mr. Smith]

Marx (prefers altruism and compassion over Social Darwinism and hypocrisy)

Btw is David Duke vs Jim Jones next?

[TNF]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

Stalinism =/= Marxism

[SWE]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The one who wasn't an egotistical self-absorbed lunatic.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

I dunno I think Rand's writing leads to plenty of suffering.

[Türkisblau]

Marx (prefers altruism and compassion over Social Darwinism and hypocrisy)

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

I dunno I think Rand's writing leads to plenty of suffering.

Objectivism has never been the official policy of any government.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

I dunno I think Rand's writing leads to plenty of suffering.

Objectivism has never been the official policy of any government.

Communism: Great Purge, Cultural Revolution.
Objectivism: The banks went wild in a hardly objectivist economy.

Gee guys what has lead to more suffering??

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Yuck.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

I dunno I think Rand's writing leads to plenty of suffering.

Objectivism has never been the official policy of any government.

Communism: Great Purge, Cultural Revolution.
Objectivism: The banks went wild in a hardly objectivist economy.

Gee guys what has lead to more suffering??

Great Depression led to Hitler.

The Great Depression occurred when Ayn Rand was an angry, miserable Russian immigrant nobody trying and failing to get We The Living published.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

I dunno I think Rand's writing leads to plenty of suffering.

Objectivism has never been the official policy of any government.

suffering amongst her readers

[Murica!]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

I dunno I think Rand's writing leads to plenty of suffering.

Objectivism has never been the official policy of any government.

Communism: Great Purge, Cultural Revolution.
Objectivism: The banks went wild in a hardly objectivist economy.

Gee guys what has lead to more suffering??

No, just no.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

I dunno I think Rand's writing leads to plenty of suffering.

Objectivism has never been the official policy of any government.

Communism: Great Purge, Cultural Revolution.
Objectivism: The banks went wild in a hardly objectivist economy.

Gee guys what has lead to more suffering??

Great Depression led to Hitler.

The Great Depression occurred when Ayn Rand was an angry, miserable Russian immigrant nobody trying and failing to get We The Living published.

I'm talking about the "idea"

Pre Depression America wasn't a completely unregulated economy, you know.

[Deus Naturae]

Not a huge fan of either, but I'll chose the one that didn't contribute to an ideology that led to immense death and suffering worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg

Considering that the description of that video links to an interview praising Stalin, you've kind of proved his point.

[Cory]

Marx, of course.

[All Along The Watchtower]

To those who blame Marx for what Stalin or Mao did: you do realize that Marx died in 1883, yes?

[Deus Naturae]

To those who blame Marx for what Stalin or Mao did: you do realize that Marx died in 1883, yes?

Ideas are kind of important in history.

[TNF]

To those who blame Marx for what Stalin or Mao did: you do realize that Marx died in 1883, yes?

Ideas are kind of important in history.

I must have missed that part of Capital where Marx recommends forced industrialization and liquidation of the peasantry and/or collaborating with Nazis

[Rockefeller GOP]

Marx (prefers altruism and compassion over Social Darwinism and hypocrisy)

Btw is David Duke vs Jim Jones next?

As sh*tty as David Duke is, he's not (to my knowledge) responsible for hundreds of deaths.  An easy vote, with nose held.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Relevant:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/wealthy-texas-mom-objects-to-working-poor-book-and-wants-teens-to-read-ayn-rand-instead/

[All Along The Watchtower]

To those who blame Marx for what Stalin or Mao did: you do realize that Marx died in 1883, yes?

Ideas are kind of important in history.

By this logic, I guess you can blame Jesus of Nazareth for the actions of Paul or Constantine then. Or the Crusades.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

To those who blame Marx for what Stalin or Mao did: you do realize that Marx died in 1883, yes?

Ideas are kind of important in history.

By this logic, I guess you can blame Jesus of Nazareth for the actions of Paul or Constantine then. Or the Crusades.

So, the ideas of Rand which have never been close to being implemented are more destructive than an ideology that has caused millions of deaths (which, yes, to fair, aren't the direct fault of Marx).

As for the Jesus analogy: Jesus preached the exact opposite of what happened. To my knowledge, Karl Marx never called for the liquidation of the Kulaks but never preached against violence either.

[politicus]

To those who blame Marx for what Stalin or Mao did: you do realize that Marx died in 1883, yes?

Ideas are kind of important in history.

By this logic, I guess you can blame Jesus of Nazareth for the actions of Paul or Constantine then. Or the Crusades.

So, the ideas of Rand which have never been close to being implemented are more destructive than an ideology that has caused millions of deaths (which, yes, to fair, aren't the direct fault of Marx).

As for the Jesus analogy: Jesus preached the exact opposite of what happened. To my knowledge, Karl Marx never called for the liquidation of the Kulaks but never preached against violence either.

True Sanchez, but it still important to remember that all the oppression and terror was conducted by parties that in one way or another can be traced back to the Leninist tradition and Lenin broke with orthodox Marxism in some very central ways. It simply isn't fair to blame Marx for what the Leninists and all their descendants did. Actually Marx should be judged on his own merits and not Marxism, which Marx wasn't too unequivocally fond of. As he said:  "Je ne suis pas marxiste" (I am not a Marxist).

[Deus Naturae]

To those who blame Marx for what Stalin or Mao did: you do realize that Marx died in 1883, yes?

Ideas are kind of important in history.

I must have missed that part of Capital where Marx recommends forced industrialization and liquidation of the peasantry and/or collaborating with Nazis

Marx advocated violent revolution against the bourgeoisie and agricultural collectivization, both of which were responsible for mass deaths in the Soviet Union, China, and elsewhere