Were you personally offended by Charlie Hebdo's anti-religious satire?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What I meant is that no one should feel personally offended by a cartoon mocking their religion.

Why not? If there's a right to offend then surely there must also be a right to be offended. Which is, needless to say, completely different from a right to firebomb offices and/or gun down people at an editorial meeting.

I can't control other people's feelings, obviously. The point was that I strongly dislike the ideological ramifications of such feeling.

Such feeling is a natural outflow of feeling personally attached to one's religion, rather than just giving it some sort of dry intellectual assent.

OK, I'm not religious, so my knowledge of this is somewhat limited, but I'm pretty sure that there are many Catholics who take their faith seriously and yet don't give a damn about Charlie Hebdo's cartoons making fun of Jesus or the Pope. How would the fact that someone is making fun or your faith diminish it in any way? At most, your reaction could be one of pity toward the cartoonists if you believe God will punish them eventually.

If someone jokes about a person's mom, some people will take offense, others will laugh it off. Some might be a little offended but still think it's a little funny.  It's the same thing.  God, Jesus, Mohammed - these are people who mean a lot to those who are religious.

There is a fundamental difference between persons and ideas. Ideas, by virtue of being ideas (and from the point where we accept to live in a free society) are inherently subject to the possibility of rebuttal and mockery.

Is Muhammad not a person?

Of course he is, but a Muslim flipping out over him being mocked would be like me doing the same over someone mocking Guy Picciotto, or Seth MacFarlane, or Quentin Tarantino, or one of the hipster Christian bloggers I follow...or hell even opebo or Libertas.

And I've explained above why I don't get offended by people mocking Jesus.

[Goldwater]

ITT, BRTD admits he has religious levels of obsession with opebo.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

ITT, BRTD admits he has religious levels of obsession with opebo.

No you're missing the point. I'm just including him in what's basically a list of "people I like".

[Antonio the Sixth]

What I meant is that no one should feel personally offended by a cartoon mocking their religion.

Why not? If there's a right to offend then surely there must also be a right to be offended. Which is, needless to say, completely different from a right to firebomb offices and/or gun down people at an editorial meeting.

I can't control other people's feelings, obviously. The point was that I strongly dislike the ideological ramifications of such feeling.

Such feeling is a natural outflow of feeling personally attached to one's religion, rather than just giving it some sort of dry intellectual assent.

OK, I'm not religious, so my knowledge of this is somewhat limited, but I'm pretty sure that there are many Catholics who take their faith seriously and yet don't give a damn about Charlie Hebdo's cartoons making fun of Jesus or the Pope. How would the fact that someone is making fun or your faith diminish it in any way? At most, your reaction could be one of pity toward the cartoonists if you believe God will punish them eventually.

If someone jokes about a person's mom, some people will take offense, others will laugh it off. Some might be a little offended but still think it's a little funny.  It's the same thing.  God, Jesus, Mohammed - these are people who mean a lot to those who are religious.

There is a fundamental difference between persons and ideas. Ideas, by virtue of being ideas (and from the point where we accept to live in a free society) are inherently subject to the possibility of rebuttal and mockery.

Is Muhammad not a person?

Muslims don't get offended by cartoons of Muhammad because they mock the person, but because they defy the ban on depictions of the Prophet and thus mock the beliefs of Islam.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

What I meant is that no one should feel personally offended by a cartoon mocking their religion.

Why not? If there's a right to offend then surely there must also be a right to be offended. Which is, needless to say, completely different from a right to firebomb offices and/or gun down people at an editorial meeting.

I can't control other people's feelings, obviously. The point was that I strongly dislike the ideological ramifications of such feeling.

Such feeling is a natural outflow of feeling personally attached to one's religion, rather than just giving it some sort of dry intellectual assent.

OK, I'm not religious, so my knowledge of this is somewhat limited, but I'm pretty sure that there are many Catholics who take their faith seriously and yet don't give a damn about Charlie Hebdo's cartoons making fun of Jesus or the Pope. How would the fact that someone is making fun or your faith diminish it in any way? At most, your reaction could be one of pity toward the cartoonists if you believe God will punish them eventually.

If someone jokes about a person's mom, some people will take offense, others will laugh it off. Some might be a little offended but still think it's a little funny.  It's the same thing.  God, Jesus, Mohammed - these are people who mean a lot to those who are religious.

There is a fundamental difference between persons and ideas. Ideas, by virtue of being ideas (and from the point where we accept to live in a free society) are inherently subject to the possibility of rebuttal and mockery.

Is Muhammad not a person?

Muslims don't get offended by cartoons of Muhammad because they mock the person, but because they defy the ban on depictions of the Prophet and thus mock the beliefs of Islam.

i'm glad you're here to tell us what muslims think

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I can't control other people's feelings, obviously. The point was that I strongly dislike the ideological ramifications of such feeling.

And you are quite entitled to be discomforted by other people taking offence to something (or whatever). That is the whole point.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

What I meant is that no one should feel personally offended by a cartoon mocking their religion.

Why not? If there's a right to offend then surely there must also be a right to be offended. Which is, needless to say, completely different from a right to firebomb offices and/or gun down people at an editorial meeting.

I can't control other people's feelings, obviously. The point was that I strongly dislike the ideological ramifications of such feeling.

Please explain what do you mean by "ideological ramifications".

[afleitch]

What about 'Piss Christ?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

[Deus Naturae]

I feel like the Charlie Hebdo people would've been disappointed if no one had been offended by their cartoons.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What about 'Piss Christ?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

I don't think it's anti-religious, and it's definitely not satire.

[Velasco]

Of course he is, but a Muslim flipping out over him being mocked would be like me doing the same over someone mocking Guy Picciotto, or Seth MacFarlane, or Quentin Tarantino, or one of the hipster Christian bloggers I follow...or hell even opebo or Libertas.

This is one of the weirdest comparisons that I've read recently. It's funny the idea of Muhammad filming Reservoir Dogs or being a bearded hipster who writes his experiences and shows his outfits in a blog. Speechless. Truly.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What I meant is that no one should feel personally offended by a cartoon mocking their religion.

Why not? If there's a right to offend then surely there must also be a right to be offended. Which is, needless to say, completely different from a right to firebomb offices and/or gun down people at an editorial meeting.

I can't control other people's feelings, obviously. The point was that I strongly dislike the ideological ramifications of such feeling.

Such feeling is a natural outflow of feeling personally attached to one's religion, rather than just giving it some sort of dry intellectual assent.

OK, I'm not religious, so my knowledge of this is somewhat limited, but I'm pretty sure that there are many Catholics who take their faith seriously and yet don't give a damn about Charlie Hebdo's cartoons making fun of Jesus or the Pope. How would the fact that someone is making fun or your faith diminish it in any way? At most, your reaction could be one of pity toward the cartoonists if you believe God will punish them eventually.

If someone jokes about a person's mom, some people will take offense, others will laugh it off. Some might be a little offended but still think it's a little funny.  It's the same thing.  God, Jesus, Mohammed - these are people who mean a lot to those who are religious.

There is a fundamental difference between persons and ideas. Ideas, by virtue of being ideas (and from the point where we accept to live in a free society) are inherently subject to the possibility of rebuttal and mockery.

Is Muhammad not a person?

Muslims don't get offended by cartoons of Muhammad because they mock the person, but because they defy the ban on depictions of the Prophet and thus mock the beliefs of Islam.

i'm glad you're here to tell us what muslims think

I've got to admit, that's a pretty good burn.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What about 'Piss Christ?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

Not offended. For the reason mentioned before. Really you CAN'T desecrate Jesus, so any attempts to do so are nothing to be worried about. It's like throwing grains of sand at a tank.

Of course he is, but a Muslim flipping out over him being mocked would be like me doing the same over someone mocking Guy Picciotto, or Seth MacFarlane, or Quentin Tarantino, or one of the hipster Christian bloggers I follow...or hell even opebo or Libertas.

This is one of the weirdest comparisons that I've read recently. It's funny the idea of Muhammad filming Reservoir Dogs or being a bearded hipster who writes his experiences and shows his outfits in a blog. Speechless. Truly.

I don't read any blogs about outfits. Can't think of when that was ever done. No the bloggers I'm thinking of mostly just post about current events and what they think Jesus would think about them and how Jesus was nothing like organized churches or the right wing agenda and was actually basically a proto-progressive SJW.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What about 'Piss Christ?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

The only thing that offended me about it was that it was a piss poor piece of art that received government funding.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The more important point is that if you believe in Jesus, then you should NOT be offended by that, because it Jesus is real and is God then it means NOTHING.

[Redalgo]

I've never read Charlie Hebdo and probably never will but anti-religious writings and statements from others have felt offensive to me in the past.