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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2015, 11:19:20 AM »

Even though I don't think she's a bad candidate at all, I'll admit that many people do overrate Clinton, or at least her chances of winning. It's too soon to say that it's a sure thing she'll win the nomination. While I like her chances of winning a GE right now, a lot can change, and a lot will depend on who her opponent is, and how popular Obama is (true, she's not Obama, but McCain wasn't Bush.)

On the Republican side, definitely Walker. The fact that he's popular among conservatives and could rally the base in no way means that he could win a GE. Warren would certainly rally the Democratic base, does that mean that she would win a GE? Winning by mid-high single digits in two Republican wave years does not make you "battle tested." Would Republicans call Sherrod Brown "battle tested"?

Also, Paul comes to mind, because I don't think he'd stand a chance of winning the nomination. The Republican establishment would likely throw their support behind other candidates, and Paul would probably be seen as too out-of-touch with the mainstream to win.
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2015, 11:53:20 AM »

Why would someone who has a 99% chance of winning the nomination and a 50% chance (at worst) of winning the general not run? Unless they really don't want to be president, which we already know isn't a problem for Hillary.

Because she's been in the extremely high stress position of the national political spotlight for over 20 years consecutively and is too tired for another grueling 10 years of campaigns and governing, by the end of which she'll be nearly 80.

Because she doesn't want her grandchild to grow up with scurrilous accusations on her character like people saying she's a witch and she killed Vince Foster, etc. Because she's sick of such things herself.

Because no matter what she does the press will always treat her every move as a political calculation and will never admit that she has genuine opinions and hopes for this country, like a normal human being.

Because she's actually an incredibly smart woman who understands that just because she seems inevitable today, that doesn't mean anything come a year and a half from now.

Because she's been demonized, vilified, slandered, misunderstood, humiliated, cheated on, condescended to, and erased, and she just doesn't give that much of a crap anymore.

Because she doesn't owe anybody anything, including her "supporters" and hacks and other people in the Democratic party who want her to run for their own selfish interests.

Because she too shares the desire for a new generation to step up.

Any of those reasons might be a reason.

Fair enough. But luckily, according to stories like these, Hillary doesn't see things that way.
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2015, 01:18:19 PM »

The correct answer is joke insurgent candidates like Bernie Sanders.

President Hillary is correctly rated as our next President.
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2015, 03:17:33 PM »

Huckabee.

That anyone thinks that refugee from the 1800s has a chance in 2016 makes me laugh. He'll probably sell some books, though.
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2015, 03:24:38 PM »

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton by some people.  John Kasich as well.
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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2015, 06:41:49 PM »

He isnt running, but liberals favorite Republican John Huntsman is overrated.
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2015, 08:50:53 AM »

He isnt running, but liberals favorite Republican John Huntsman is overrated.

This can't be stressed enough. The "If Jon Huntsman was the nominee, he'd win a thousand electoral votes!" talk was insufferable.
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2015, 05:49:43 PM »

Hillary, Jeb, Romney, Kasich, Pence, and Walker
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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2015, 11:36:36 PM »

The correct answer is joke insurgent candidates like Bernie Sanders.

President Hillary is correctly rated as our next President.

I completely understand your reasoning, but it still annoys me that things seem resolved so early.  I wish we could have an exciting GOP and Democratic primary. Sad
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2015, 02:32:12 AM »
« Edited: January 24, 2015, 02:34:47 AM by Türkisblau »

Walker. His record is terrible and I don't feel like he's that charismatic. Also, the hair needs some serious work.

The way everyone talks about him makes him seem like some sort of great, electable anti-union leader and I just don't see it.
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2015, 02:59:20 AM »

Hillary, definitely. Even if she does manage to become the next President, she'll still have been overrated.
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2015, 07:58:36 AM »

The correct answer is joke insurgent candidates like Bernie Sanders.


I don't think that Sanders is overrated, I think most people, himself included, knows the chances of him beating Clinton are basically nil. His main goal would be to force Clinton onto a debate stage with him and pressure her to the left.
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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2015, 05:17:23 PM »

Why would someone who has a 99% chance of winning the nomination and a 50% chance (at worst) of winning the general not run? Unless they really don't want to be president, which we already know isn't a problem for Hillary.

Because she's been in the extremely high stress position of the national political spotlight for over 20 years consecutively and is too tired for another grueling 10 years of campaigns and governing, by the end of which she'll be nearly 80.

Because she doesn't want her grandchild to grow up with scurrilous accusations on her character like people saying she's a witch and she killed Vince Foster, etc. Because she's sick of such things herself.

Because no matter what she does the press will always treat her every move as a political calculation and will never admit that she has genuine opinions and hopes for this country, like a normal human being.

Because she's actually an incredibly smart woman who understands that just because she seems inevitable today, that doesn't mean anything come a year and a half from now.

Because she's been demonized, vilified, slandered, misunderstood, humiliated, cheated on, condescended to, and erased, and she just doesn't give that much of a crap anymore.

Because she doesn't owe anybody anything, including her "supporters" and hacks and other people in the Democratic party who want her to run for their own selfish interests.

Because she too shares the desire for a new generation to step up.

Any of those reasons might be a reason.

rofl, post of the year.

Hillary Clinton: Too pure, too beautiful, too fragile for this world.
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2015, 11:53:38 AM »

Why would someone who has a 99% chance of winning the nomination and a 50% chance (at worst) of winning the general not run? Unless they really don't want to be president, which we already know isn't a problem for Hillary.

Because she's been in the extremely high stress position of the national political spotlight for over 20 years consecutively and is too tired for another grueling 10 years of campaigns and governing, by the end of which she'll be nearly 80.

Because she doesn't want her grandchild to grow up with scurrilous accusations on her character like people saying she's a witch and she killed Vince Foster, etc. Because she's sick of such things herself.

Because no matter what she does the press will always treat her every move as a political calculation and will never admit that she has genuine opinions and hopes for this country, like a normal human being.

Because she's actually an incredibly smart woman who understands that just because she seems inevitable today, that doesn't mean anything come a year and a half from now.

Because she's been demonized, vilified, slandered, misunderstood, humiliated, cheated on, condescended to, and erased, and she just doesn't give that much of a crap anymore.

Because she doesn't owe anybody anything, including her "supporters" and hacks and other people in the Democratic party who want her to run for their own selfish interests.

Because she too shares the desire for a new generation to step up.

Any of those reasons might be a reason.

rofl, post of the year.

Hillary Clinton: Too pure, too beautiful, too fragile for this world.

Agreed. It takes quite the imagination to come up with that.
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2015, 01:32:49 PM »

Carson, of course. He'd fade out pretty quickly.
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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2015, 01:37:53 PM »

Carson, of course. He'd fade out pretty quickly.

A lot of people say this but I think Carson might be less fragile a candidate than everyone thinks. Yes, he says insane things but does that ruin candidates in Republican primaries? I don't know that it does if those are insane conservative things.
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2015, 01:49:20 PM »

Why would someone who has a 99% chance of winning the nomination and a 50% chance (at worst) of winning the general not run? Unless they really don't want to be president, which we already know isn't a problem for Hillary.

Because she's been in the extremely high stress position of the national political spotlight for over 20 years consecutively and is too tired for another grueling 10 years of campaigns and governing, by the end of which she'll be nearly 80.

Because she doesn't want her grandchild to grow up with scurrilous accusations on her character like people saying she's a witch and she killed Vince Foster, etc. Because she's sick of such things herself.

Because no matter what she does the press will always treat her every move as a political calculation and will never admit that she has genuine opinions and hopes for this country, like a normal human being.

Because she's actually an incredibly smart woman who understands that just because she seems inevitable today, that doesn't mean anything come a year and a half from now.

Because she's been demonized, vilified, slandered, misunderstood, humiliated, cheated on, condescended to, and erased, and she just doesn't give that much of a crap anymore.

Because she doesn't owe anybody anything, including her "supporters" and hacks and other people in the Democratic party who want her to run for their own selfish interests.

Because she too shares the desire for a new generation to step up.

Any of those reasons might be a reason.

rofl, post of the year.

Hillary Clinton: Too pure, too beautiful, too fragile for this world.

Agreed. It takes quite the imagination to come up with that.

Great counter argument, guys Cheesy Seriously, which one of those is untrue?
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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2015, 02:16:27 PM »

Why would someone who has a 99% chance of winning the nomination and a 50% chance (at worst) of winning the general not run? Unless they really don't want to be president, which we already know isn't a problem for Hillary.

Because she's been in the extremely high stress position of the national political spotlight for over 20 years consecutively and is too tired for another grueling 10 years of campaigns and governing, by the end of which she'll be nearly 80.

Because she doesn't want her grandchild to grow up with scurrilous accusations on her character like people saying she's a witch and she killed Vince Foster, etc. Because she's sick of such things herself.

Because no matter what she does the press will always treat her every move as a political calculation and will never admit that she has genuine opinions and hopes for this country, like a normal human being.

Because she's actually an incredibly smart woman who understands that just because she seems inevitable today, that doesn't mean anything come a year and a half from now.

Because she's been demonized, vilified, slandered, misunderstood, humiliated, cheated on, condescended to, and erased, and she just doesn't give that much of a crap anymore.

Because she doesn't owe anybody anything, including her "supporters" and hacks and other people in the Democratic party who want her to run for their own selfish interests.

Because she too shares the desire for a new generation to step up.

Any of those reasons might be a reason.

rofl, post of the year.

Hillary Clinton: Too pure, too beautiful, too fragile for this world.

Agreed. It takes quite the imagination to come up with that.

Great counter argument, guys Cheesy Seriously, which one of those is untrue?

None of them are true or untrue--your list is simply pure speculation. And because nobody has heard from her--directly--that she is or isn't running, you're welcome to come up with your own theory as to why she may or may not run.

We would be foolish to treat any of the aforementioned points as hard evidence that she will not run, because there is no evidence there.

Reports of VP speculation? Fundraising? Those are substantive moves towards running. Having a grandchild (as if that's in her control) isn't evidence of anything.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2015, 02:24:48 PM »

As far as Clinton's mindset, of course it's speculation. I was just answering IceSpear's excellent question of why someone with a 99% chance of winning her party's nomination would not run, by providing some possible reasons. That's all. I agree that, most likely, she will run, the above reasons notwithstanding.
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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2015, 02:38:10 PM »

Hillary Clinton.

She is not a great campaigner, coming off a two term Democratic President, and her name recognition/favorability ratio does not do her any favors. She is a strong candidate but her winning the presidency is not an inevitability.
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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2015, 02:58:32 PM »

I'll say Rubio. For all the hype, he is basically an inarticulate boob with no original ideas.

Having a hard time disagreeing with this.
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