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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2015, 10:43:59 PM »

Also, calling this treason is insane. Do we not remember when Nancy Pelosi led a delegation to Syria - an active enemy of the US - in opposition to Bush's wishes? When people suggested that she violated the Logan Act, they were laughed out of the room.
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2015, 12:08:27 AM »

The Republicans want a war. They don't even want to give a shot of diplomacy. They, and that scumbag Netanyahu, who has greatly ruined the reputation of Zionism, should be ashamed.
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2015, 12:51:13 AM »

Also, calling this treason is insane. Do we not remember when Nancy Pelosi led a delegation to Syria - an active enemy of the US - in opposition to Bush's wishes? When people suggested that she violated the Logan Act, they were laughed out of the room.

Really not the same thing. There was (1) no foreign policy conflict: Syria did not actively oppose either of the US-led wars against Iraq; and (2) no political conflict: a Congressional delegation going on a foreign "fact finding" mission is a forgettable footnote and the Syrian government had no political capital to gain from it.

Bibi and Israel have foreign policy interests that clearly conflict with those of the United States. They view Iran as the principal threat in the Middle East, when really Iran can serve as a counterweight to ISIS and the Sunni Gulf states. For Bibi to be given an audience as prestigious as the US Congress gives him a bully pulpit to advocate for an Iran-centric policy that undermines American efforts to contain ISIS.

He also has this very stupid notion of Islamism that lumps Iran/Hezbollah/Shi'ite groups, ISIS/Saudi Arabia/Sunni groups, and Hamas/Palestinian nationalist groups into a homogenous group that do nothing but conspire to "drive the Jews into the sea." It's about as logical as believing, during the post-1960 Cold War, that the USSR, the PRC, Titoist Yugoslavia and Albania were all in cahoots together against the West.

The timing so close to his election campaign is also blatantly self-serving and does nothing more than enable him to flash a bunch of photos of himself giving the speech and tell voters that a Labor government won't be able to get the goyim to keep writing them checks.
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2015, 03:57:19 AM »

Thing is, I think they're still stuck in the Ahmedinajad-era mindset. That guy was a genuine lunatic who might have decided that wiping out half the world's Jews was a good move on a whim.

I don't particularly trust Rouhani, but he has some sense of self-preservation. He understands carrots and sticks. 

Ahmadinejad couldn't have done anything either since the president is not calling the shots in Tehran.
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2015, 07:47:58 AM »

Your made up title departing from the title actually used in the article, is tendentious Lief, and maybe against the terms of use, but I ain't looking it up or going to pursue that. The real title was tendentious enough, but no, you wanted more. Anyway, in my view, it's a free country, and anyone can invite anyone into this country, to speak anywhere, if otherwise legal (so no, it would not be appropriate to invite Castro, because it is not legal for him to go to DC, and he couldn't get a visa anyway), and it doesn't bother me. This is just a policy difference spat, and having disagreements about foreign policy is anything but treason - it's as American as apple pie.
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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2015, 08:21:52 AM »

Your made up title departing from the title actually used in the article, is tendentious Lief, and maybe against the terms of use, but I ain't looking it up or going to pursue that. The real title was tendentious enough, but no, you wanted more. Anyway, in my view, it's a free country, and anyone can invite anyone into this country, to speak anywhere, if otherwise legal (so no, it would not be appropriate to invite Castro, because it is not legal for him to go to DC, and he couldn't get a visa anyway), and it doesn't bother me. This is just a policy difference spat, and having disagreements about foreign policy is anything but treason - it's as American as apple pie.

Oh the hypocrisy.

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Just imagine if Democrats did the same with left-wing Latin American Presidents when a Republican is in office...
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2015, 09:50:47 AM »

Your made up title departing from the title actually used in the article, is tendentious Lief, and maybe against the terms of use, but I ain't looking it up or going to pursue that. The real title was tendentious enough, but no, you wanted more. Anyway, in my view, it's a free country, and anyone can invite anyone into this country, to speak anywhere, if otherwise legal (so no, it would not be appropriate to invite Castro, because it is not legal for him to go to DC, and he couldn't get a visa anyway), and it doesn't bother me. This is just a policy difference spat, and having disagreements about foreign policy is anything but treason - it's as American as apple pie.

Oh the hypocrisy.

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Just imagine if Democrats did the same with left-wing Latin American Presidents when a Republican is in office...

I didn't make up the law about Cuba and Castro. But we should follow laws, even if we don't like them (unless one wants to engage in civil disobedience, and face the consequences). In point of fact, I would repeal the Cuba embargo, and allow Castro to go anywhere he wants, anytime, myself, but that is just me.
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2015, 10:14:57 AM »

Your made up title departing from the title actually used in the article, is tendentious Lief, and maybe against the terms of use, but I ain't looking it up or going to pursue that. The real title was tendentious enough, but no, you wanted more. Anyway, in my view, it's a free country, and anyone can invite anyone into this country, to speak anywhere, if otherwise legal (so no, it would not be appropriate to invite Castro, because it is not legal for him to go to DC, and he couldn't get a visa anyway), and it doesn't bother me. This is just a policy difference spat, and having disagreements about foreign policy is anything but treason - it's as American as apple pie.

Oh the hypocrisy.

Again,
Just imagine if Democrats did the same with left-wing Latin American Presidents when a Republican is in office...

I didn't make up the law about Cuba and Castro. But we should follow laws, even if we don't like them (unless one wants to engage in civil disobedience, and face the consequences). In point of fact, I would repeal the Cuba embargo, and allow Castro to go anywhere he wants, anytime, myself, but that is just me.

How about Nancy Pelosi inviting Chavez in 2007? I'm really curious how our resident blue avatars would have reacted to that. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2015, 10:40:08 AM »

Your made up title departing from the title actually used in the article, is tendentious Lief, and maybe against the terms of use, but I ain't looking it up or going to pursue that. The real title was tendentious enough, but no, you wanted more. Anyway, in my view, it's a free country, and anyone can invite anyone into this country, to speak anywhere, if otherwise legal (so no, it would not be appropriate to invite Castro, because it is not legal for him to go to DC, and he couldn't get a visa anyway), and it doesn't bother me. This is just a policy difference spat, and having disagreements about foreign policy is anything but treason - it's as American as apple pie.

Oh the hypocrisy.

Again,
Just imagine if Democrats did the same with left-wing Latin American Presidents when a Republican is in office...

I didn't make up the law about Cuba and Castro. But we should follow laws, even if we don't like them (unless one wants to engage in civil disobedience, and face the consequences). In point of fact, I would repeal the Cuba embargo, and allow Castro to go anywhere he wants, anytime, myself, but that is just me.

How about Nancy Pelosi inviting Chavez in 2007? I'm really curious how our resident blue avatars would have reacted to that. Roll Eyes

He's welcome too. In fact, he should give a lecture and take questions, with me in the audience, so that I can trash him publicly. Bring it on baby! Tongue  Stereotyping "blue avatars" in such a crude way is such a tired and boring exercise around here. Most blue avatars I suspect are all in favor of open dialogue and free speech, and more than willing to let SOB's say what they want to say. We are not afraid they will somehow corrupt the Fruited Plain.  Thanks. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2015, 05:14:53 PM »

This is probably the single worst thing Congressional Republicans have done during Obama's Presidency other than taking the Debt Ceiling hostage in 2011.

Just utterly shameful. Wow. And the apologies from the resident Republicans are just as trite. I don't believe it for a second when Torie claims that he would be just as glib if Pelosi invited Chavez to speak in 2007. Yeah, right.
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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2015, 05:23:55 PM »

http://forward.com/articles/213233/did-benjamin-netanyahu-and-the-gop-just-pull-off-a/
Abe Foxman trashes Boehner.
The political consequences of this gambit are fascinating to consider.
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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2015, 08:24:36 PM »

This is probably the single worst thing Congressional Republicans have done during Obama's Presidency other than taking the Debt Ceiling hostage in 2011.

Just utterly shameful. Wow. And the apologies from the resident Republicans are just as trite. I don't believe it for a second when Torie claims that he would be just as glib if Pelosi invited Chavez to speak in 2007. Yeah, right.

 geeech, I don't know what to think now...
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2015, 10:42:23 PM »

This is probably the single worst thing Congressional Republicans have done during Obama's Presidency other than taking the Debt Ceiling hostage in 2011.

Just utterly shameful. Wow. And the apologies from the resident Republicans are just as trite. I don't believe it for a second when Torie claims that he would be just as glib if Pelosi invited Chavez to speak in 2007. Yeah, right.

 geeech, I don't know what to think now...

Are you a ghost?
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2015, 09:07:30 AM »

This is probably the single worst thing Congressional Republicans have done during Obama's Presidency other than taking the Debt Ceiling hostage in 2011.

Just utterly shameful. Wow. And the apologies from the resident Republicans are just as trite. I don't believe it for a second when Torie claims that he would be just as glib if Pelosi invited Chavez to speak in 2007. Yeah, right.

 geeech, I don't know what to think now...

Are you a ghost?

?, not yet.

Your point’s made of the congressional house being lead by republicans’ kind of kills the “do nothing” argument.
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2015, 01:10:43 AM »

If Obama wanted to get even he could arrange to go to Israel and speak to Maaretz or the Israeli Labour Party without Nuttyyahoo present.
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2015, 02:31:04 AM »

If Obama wanted to get even he could arrange to go to Israel and speak to Maaretz or the Israeli Labour Party without Nuttyyahoo present.

Because a Democratic president doesn't already give enough speeches to old liberal Jews in his own country?
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2015, 02:32:22 AM »

Just imagine if Democrats did the same with left-wing Latin American Presidents when a Republican is in office...

I can't. Seriously, I can't imagine that.
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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2015, 02:47:16 AM »

Boehner is real life's Frank Underwood.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2015, 12:07:11 PM »

Boehner is real life's Frank Underwood.
He's not even close to being that smart/brilliant.
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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2015, 12:37:09 PM »

Now given Israel has elections in less than two months, and Netanyahu is atop the Likud party list... how does he expect messing with another countries foreign policy to help him at home anyways?
His voters love seeing him lectures all those gentiles in good English
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