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« on: January 21, 2015, 09:21:44 PM »

I've noticed how blue states like California and New York have elected female senators, but not female governors which is weird. Is it psychologically easier to send a woman to Washington than to the governor's mansion?
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2015, 09:54:12 PM »

what?
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2015, 10:02:02 PM »

I haven't seen anyone from Arizona on the forum. This is a first
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2015, 10:04:33 PM »

I didn't mean every single blue state, but the ones my question applies to.

I haven't seen anyone from Arizona on the forum. This is a first

Really? What about Carl Hayden?
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2015, 10:14:05 PM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 10:16:30 PM by Joshua »

I've noticed how blue states like California and New York have elected female senators, but not female governors which is weird. Is it psychologically easier to send a woman to Washington than to the governor's mansion?

Washington had Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell, and Christine Gregoire.

New Hampshire has Shaheen, Ayotte, and Hassan.

North Carolina had Kay Hagan/Liddy Dole and Bev Purdue.

Technically if we're talking "blue," Louisiana had Kathleen Blanco, Mary Landrieu, and John Breaux, all Democrats.

Rhode Island just elected a female governor as well, yet has never sent a woman to the Senate I believe.

So it's definitely a thing having female Dem Senators and Governors.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2015, 10:15:51 PM »

Pretty sure John Breaux's a dude...
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2015, 10:18:09 PM »


The question was about Democrats (blues), so I listed him for the sake of showing that both senators and the governor were Democrats in Louisiana.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2015, 10:22:53 PM »

I've noticed how blue states like California and New York have elected female senators, but not female governors which is weird. Is it psychologically easier to send a woman to Washington than to the governor's mansion?

Washington had Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell, and Christine Gregoire.

New Hampshire has Shaheen, Ayotte, and Hassan.

North Carolina had Kay Hagan/Liddy Dole and Bev Purdue.

Technically if we're talking "blue," Louisiana had Kathleen Blanco, Mary Landrieu, and John Breaux, all Democrats.

Rhode Island just elected a female governor as well, yet has never sent a woman to the Senate I believe.

So it's definitely a thing having female Dem Senators and Governors.

I didn't mean all of the blue states and I forgot to check my post before posting.

Louisiana is a red state, for all intents and purposes. It was a blue state not too long ago.

As for Rhode Island, they recently elected Gina Raimondo. They've never sent a woman to the Senate even though Nancy Meyer and Claudine Schneider made serious runs for the office.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2015, 10:36:00 PM »

I've noticed how blue states like California and New York have elected female senators, but not female governors which is weird. Is it psychologically easier to send a woman to Washington than to the governor's mansion?

Washington had Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell, and Christine Gregoire.

New Hampshire has Shaheen, Ayotte, and Hassan.

North Carolina had Kay Hagan/Liddy Dole and Bev Purdue.

Technically if we're talking "blue," Louisiana had Kathleen Blanco, Mary Landrieu, and John Breaux, all Democrats.

Rhode Island just elected a female governor as well, yet has never sent a woman to the Senate I believe.

So it's definitely a thing having female Dem Senators and Governors.

I didn't mean all of the blue states and I forgot to check my post before posting.

Louisiana is a red state, for all intents and purposes. It was a blue state not too long ago.

As for Rhode Island, they recently elected Gina Raimondo. They've never sent a woman to the Senate even though Nancy Meyer and Claudine Schneider made serious runs for the office.

At this point, I don't think gender has as much of a factor when people are casting a ballot for governor. It's more of who is in the right place at the right time to become governor.

Take California. In 1990, Dianne Feinstein may have been negatively affected by her gender. But it doesn't matter if Harris or Newsom had gone for either Senate or Governor, both of them will be elected to whichever office they run for, unless of course a major scandal unfolds.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2015, 10:45:13 PM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 10:48:43 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

How many women run for governor, though? As far as I know, the only serious candidate for governor of California got the Democratic nomination in 1994, and so the fact that Jerry Brown's sister didn't become governor probably had more to do with it being the wrong year than anything else. The incumbent Republican Wilson was easily re-elected in a Republican year. The last time a Republican incumbent governor lost was 1938.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2015, 10:49:21 PM »

How many women run for governor, though? As far as I know, the only serious candidate for governor of California got the Democratic nomination in 1994, and so the fact that Jerry Brown's sister didn't become governor probably had more to do with it being the wrong year than anything else. The incumbent Republican Wilson was easily re-elected in a Republican year. The last time a Republican incumbent governor lost was 1938.

diane feinstein?
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2015, 11:18:51 PM »

How many women run for governor, though? As far as I know, the only serious candidate for governor of California got the Democratic nomination in 1994, and so the fact that Jerry Brown's sister didn't become governor probably had more to do with it being the wrong year than anything else. The incumbent Republican Wilson was easily re-elected in a Republican year. The last time a Republican incumbent governor lost was 1938.

Meg Whitman (2010) and Dianne Feinstein (1990),...some Californian you turned out to be, can't remember why we have one of our Senators and someone who audaciously spent $116 million and the big nanny scandal....c'mon this is embarrassing.



Anyway, I've compiled a map of all 27 states that have had one women in the Governor's Mansion.  7 of these were Republican only, 17 of these were Democratic only, 3 were both.




Now for states that have had women in the Senate



16 Democratic only, 9 Republican Only, 2 Republican and Democratic
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2015, 11:19:23 PM »

How many women run for governor, though? As far as I know, the only serious candidate for governor of California got the Democratic nomination in 1994, and so the fact that Jerry Brown's sister didn't become governor probably had more to do with it being the wrong year than anything else. The incumbent Republican Wilson was easily re-elected in a Republican year. The last time a Republican incumbent governor lost was 1938.

More women run for governor than you may think. For every one that gets elected, there are a handful that didn't.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2015, 11:40:08 PM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 11:48:23 PM by L.D. Smith, Knight of Appalachia »

Now for to compile this into a map of states that have had female governors AND senators, those with just one (governor only in blue, senator only in green) of the positions, and those  haven't yet elected a woman to either position.



As this map notes, that's 13 states that have had both (and at the real progressive extreme NH has had both women of both parties in both positions!), 15 have only had female senators,  13 have only had female governors, and the remaining 9 have kept it "a boy's club".

Of these 9, only Pennsylvania can be considered "blue", the others are swing (including the reliable "bellwethers" Nevada and Ohio, and recent swingers Virginia and Colorado) or  deep Atlas BLUE (Tennessee, Mississippi, Indiana, Idaho).
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2015, 12:56:01 AM »

How many women run for governor, though? As far as I know, the only serious candidate for governor of California got the Democratic nomination in 1994, and so the fact that Jerry Brown's sister didn't become governor probably had more to do with it being the wrong year than anything else. The incumbent Republican Wilson was easily re-elected in a Republican year. The last time a Republican incumbent governor lost was 1938.

Meg Whitman (2010) and Dianne Feinstein (1990),...some Californian you turned out to be, can't remember why we have one of our Senators and someone who audaciously spent $116 million and the big nanny scandal....c'mon this is embarrassing.



Anyway, I've compiled a map of all 27 states that have had one women in the Governor's Mansion.  7 of these were Republican only, 17 of these were Democratic only, 3 were both.




Now for states that have had women in the Senate



16 Democratic only, 9 Republican Only, 2 Republican and Democratic

Oops, I guess Fieinstein was a long time ago, and Whitman is kind of forgettable.
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2015, 03:51:37 AM »

Massachusetts's sexism is well-documented.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2015, 04:54:15 AM »

Massachusetts's sexism is well-documented.

Excellent point.

It was explainable with the U.S. Senate: Ted Kennedy had 47 years and John Kerry had 29 years. So approximately 76 years combined with their representing Massachusetts with U.S. Senate seats. (This was prior to Elizabeth Warren, having unseated Scott Brown, in 2012.)

The governorship, though, is inexcusable. For Texas to have had at least one woman rep at the governorship level while Massachusetts has not hones in on either the Democrats in the state of Massachusetts sucking...or they're not nominating women for the governorships in midterm election years the party will win. No matter what it is, it certainly isn't inspired. And it shouldn't be tolerated for much longer. Next time the Democrats win the governorship of Massachusetts, there is no reason it cannot get done with a woman.
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2015, 01:13:14 AM »

Massachusetts's sexism is well-documented.

Excellent point.

It was explainable with the U.S. Senate: Ted Kennedy had 47 years and John Kerry had 29 years. So approximately 76 years combined with their representing Massachusetts with U.S. Senate seats. (This was prior to Elizabeth Warren, having unseated Scott Brown, in 2012.)

The governorship, though, is inexcusable. For Texas to have had at least one woman rep at the governorship level while Massachusetts has not hones in on either the Democrats in the state of Massachusetts sucking...or they're not nominating women for the governorships in midterm election years the party will win. No matter what it is, it certainly isn't inspired. And it shouldn't be tolerated for much longer. Next time the Democrats win the governorship of Massachusetts, there is no reason it cannot get done with a woman.

She wasn't elected governor, but there was Jane Swift.
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2015, 05:53:08 AM »

Now for to compile this into a map of states that have had female governors AND senators, those with just one (governor only in blue, senator only in green) of the positions, and those  haven't yet elected a woman to either position.



As this map notes, that's 13 states that have had both (and at the real progressive extreme NH has had both women of both parties in both positions!), 15 have only had female senators,  13 have only had female governors, and the remaining 9 have kept it "a boy's club".

Of these 9, only Pennsylvania can be considered "blue", the others are swing (including the reliable "bellwethers" Nevada and Ohio, and recent swingers Virginia and Colorado) or  deep Atlas BLUE (Tennessee, Mississippi, Indiana, Idaho).

I know it's almost certainly random, but it's funny how there seems to be a West/Midwest contrast in this map, with the first electing female governors but not senators, while the latter is OK with Senators but not with Governors.
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2015, 06:06:41 AM »

Massachusetts's sexism is well-documented.

Excellent point.

It was explainable with the U.S. Senate: Ted Kennedy had 47 years and John Kerry had 29 years. So approximately 76 years combined with their representing Massachusetts with U.S. Senate seats. (This was prior to Elizabeth Warren, having unseated Scott Brown, in 2012.)

The governorship, though, is inexcusable. For Texas to have had at least one woman rep at the governorship level while Massachusetts has not hones in on either the Democrats in the state of Massachusetts sucking...or they're not nominating women for the governorships in midterm election years the party will win. No matter what it is, it certainly isn't inspired. And it shouldn't be tolerated for much longer. Next time the Democrats win the governorship of Massachusetts, there is no reason it cannot get done with a woman.

Maura Healey's the natural choice for this, and we could do a lot worse than her. She's certainly a damn sight better than Coakley.
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2015, 12:03:11 PM »

As with most patterns based on only a few data points, much of this is probably just a coincidence.
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2015, 01:36:21 PM »

Coakley is a horrible candidate and a horrible person. MA should have a deep enough Democratic bench that they don't need to keep running the same proven loser.
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2015, 01:47:52 PM »
« Edited: January 23, 2015, 09:55:40 PM by Türkisblau »

Massachusetts's sexism is well-documented.

Excellent point.

It was explainable with the U.S. Senate: Ted Kennedy had 47 years and John Kerry had 29 years. So approximately 76 years combined with their representing Massachusetts with U.S. Senate seats. (This was prior to Elizabeth Warren, having unseated Scott Brown, in 2012.)

The governorship, though, is inexcusable. For Texas to have had at least one woman rep at the governorship level while Massachusetts has not hones in on either the Democrats in the state of Massachusetts sucking...or they're not nominating women for the governorships in midterm election years the party will win. No matter what it is, it certainly isn't inspired. And it shouldn't be tolerated for much longer. Next time the Democrats win the governorship of Massachusetts, there is no reason it cannot get done with a woman.

Are you serious? Aren't we supposed to be treating both men and women equally instead of trying to get women into office just because of their gender? It's idiotic to me to support someone just based off of that metric.
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2015, 02:27:52 PM »

Massachusetts is the most glaring example of a blue state glass ceiling. However for most blue states whether or not a female governor has been elected is mostly chance, and the glass ceiling overall really isn't distinguishable on a partisan level. It's true that there is really a lack of women gubernatorial candidates, in both red and blue states.
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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2015, 05:37:25 PM »

Now for to compile this into a map of states that have had female governors AND senators, those with just one (governor only in blue, senator only in green) of the positions, and those  haven't yet elected a woman to either position.



As this map notes, that's 13 states that have had both (and at the real progressive extreme NH has had both women of both parties in both positions!), 15 have only had female senators,  13 have only had female governors, and the remaining 9 have kept it "a boy's club".

Of these 9, only Pennsylvania can be considered "blue", the others are swing (including the reliable "bellwethers" Nevada and Ohio, and recent swingers Virginia and Colorado) or  deep Atlas BLUE (Tennessee, Mississippi, Indiana, Idaho).


As others have said, a lot of this is chance, but not only has PA not had a woman Gov. or Sen., they have had very few Congresswomen, and IIRC, few women in their state legislature. Quite interesting for a blue state.
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