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« on: January 22, 2015, 02:19:11 AM »

An MRA type website is something like this website: http://www.avoiceformen.com/ while an example of a HBD website is like this https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/. I would say though that Lionoftheblogosphere (formerly called Half Sigma) is more into pop culture and how it intersects with HBD (i.e. similar to Steve Sailer).

But I think they tend to attract the same kind of people and someone like Jack Donovan arguably has a foot in both camps. The reader of either blog, IMO tends to be a single guy in his 20s and 30s who is disillusioned by the current state of affairs.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 02:39:57 AM »

Yes, of course 'edgy' internet sexists and 'edgy' internet racists have overlap.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 08:49:03 AM »

Yes, of course 'edgy' internet sexists and 'edgy' internet racists have overlap.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2015, 08:59:45 AM »

It is funny that in early 2000's MRA movement was a radical thing similar to Charlie Hebdo.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 09:12:36 AM »

It was just contemporary version secular anti-clericalism, its very normal that young people rebel against very strict moral codes.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2015, 09:59:33 AM »

I have no interest in learning anything about any of this.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 06:05:07 PM »

Ethelberth, that's a really disingenuous comparison.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2015, 06:18:13 PM »

Most MRAs are probably racist, but HBD is more extreme than your run of the mill racism.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2015, 10:18:00 PM »

What does HBD stand for? I presume it's not good, so I'm not interested in giving their blog views. I tried searching but all that came up is that it's an abbreviation for happy birthday.

Human biodiversity, id est scientific racism. Think The Bell Curve.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2015, 06:41:33 AM »
« Edited: January 23, 2015, 06:51:34 AM by Antonio V »


Ugh, I feel like I became dumber just by reading these two words together.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2015, 05:03:32 PM »

I know probably most people claiming to be anti-feministic are people sharing similar values with Putin's Russia. My humble point was that originally the movement (at least in Finland) was rather liberal or at least anti-authoritarian.

'Edgy' internet sexist/racist 'anti-authoritarianism' comes from different psychological and ideological presuppositions than liberal anti-authoritarianism.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2015, 05:20:37 PM »

I know probably most people claiming to be anti-feministic are people sharing similar values with Putin's Russia. My humble point was that originally the movement (at least in Finland) was rather liberal or at least anti-authoritarian.

'Edgy' internet sexist/racist 'anti-authoritarianism' comes from different psychological and ideological presuppositions than liberal anti-authoritarianism.

And than French post-Mai 68 left-wing anti-authoritarianism.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2015, 06:02:03 PM »

I understand your point of view. I wanted just to say, that you can be a decent liberal citizen whitout thinking all the feminist legacy that was thought us (not me especially) in home and school.

Feminist theory isn't taught at (most) home(s) and certainly not at school (at least in most European countries). Depressingly enough, it still is a minority position.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2015, 06:24:08 PM »

So you know the curriculum of our schools and deny that it was dominant parlance in Finland in past decades. You are wrong.

I said most European countries. Finland certainly doesn't represent the mainstream.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2015, 06:43:32 PM »

There is no united "feminist theory".
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2015, 12:37:31 AM »

I know probably most people claiming to be anti-feministic are people sharing similar values with Putin's Russia. My humble point was that originally the movement (at least in Finland) was rather liberal or at least anti-authoritarian.

'Edgy' internet sexist/racist 'anti-authoritarianism' comes from different psychological and ideological presuppositions than liberal anti-authoritarianism.

And than French post-Mai 68 left-wing anti-authoritarianism.

Yeah. Even speaking as someone who's suspicious of Mai 68 (side note: you've expressed surprise in the recent past that my position on it is 'hostile'; 'suspicious' is, I'd say, more accurate), comparing it to these particular cancers on the body of the internet is in unbelievably bad taste.
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2015, 09:20:24 AM »

I don't think a decent liberal citizen would be an MRA. Not saying you have to be a self-described feminist or anything, but if you're devoting your political activity to campaigning AGAINST women's rights you're unlikely to be a very good person.

The exception to this is of course that a fair number of MRAs come from personal tragedies. That I can hold some sympathy for.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2015, 04:51:54 PM »

HBD? God, the internet is full of awful people coining awful acronyms you're supposed to remember.
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