Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2014 (Tabled)

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This is economically unviable.  Can we consider a monetarist plan to get the economic engine going?

Not on your life.

[windjammer]

I don't want inflation at 25%, sorry.

[TNF]

At the very least, we can all agree on a small increase, no? $15 an hour is reasonable by any measure, and it has widespread public support.

[Cranberry]

I'd have nothing against 15$/hour, but won't it reach that number already July 1st, as mandated in the Fair Labor Standards Act 2013?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I'd have nothing against 15$/hour, but won't it reach that number already July 1st, as mandated in the Fair Labor Standards Act 2013?

I was thinking this...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That section was repealed last summer. The automatic inflation increases of the living wage should bump it up automatically though.

[TNF]

That clause was repealed.

[Cranberry]

Okay, thank you. As I said, I would support 15$/hour.

[bore]

What's happening here? Given what cranberry is talking about, is there still a point to this?

[TNF]

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[bore]

Senators have 36 hours to object to TNF's amendment

[Lumine]

I would hope at least one Senator objects, lowering this to 2020 would not be enough to make this proposal viable, especially considering what could happen in Atlasia during the span of five years.

[bore]

The only reason someone could have to objecting to TNF's amendment is if they were more radical and wanted a 25 dollar minimum wage in 2025.

[Lumine]

The only reason someone could have to objecting to TNF's amendment is if they were more radical and wanted a 25 dollar minimum wage in 2025.

Not necessarily, not when we consider the current proposal wouldn't pass the Senate.

[Senator Cris]

I won't object because it's a good improvement and it's better than the original text.
I don't know if I'll vote for it, but it's still a good improvement.

[SWE]

I would hope at least one Senator objects, lowering this to 2020 would not be enough to make this proposal viable, especially considering what could happen in Atlasia during the span of five years.

Why would someone object to something they consider an improvement over the original bill, even if not enough of an improvement to get them to support it?

[Cranberry]

Well, I do share Lumine's concerns if 2020 is not too long a time span. Considering, a lot did happen in Atlasia the last five years, and a lot will happen again.
Compromise proposal: We set the minimum wage until 2018, and from then, every two years, the Senate shall vote a new, whether to continue the minimum wage to rise by the same rate as now, or not. Do you understand what I mean?

[Senator Cris]

Well, I do share Lumine's concerns if 2020 is not too long a time span. Considering, a lot did happen in Atlasia the last five years, and a lot will happen again.
Compromise proposal: We set the minimum wage until 2018, and from then, every two years, the Senate shall vote a new, whether to continue the minimum wage to rise by the same rate as now, or not. Do you understand what I mean?

I understand and I support your proposal.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think the present approach has been ridiculous. We just can't seem to find a set policy and stick to it. We have automatic adjustments and then we always go back and overide them as if they served no purpose at all. Everytime we change it, it has a disruptive effect. Before anyone states it, yes raising the minimum wage from $7.50 to $10.10 has minimimal impact at best, and even assuming that is true, one can certainly see how the situation would be different jumping from $14 to $22 or whatever. Each time you raise it under the latter circumstances, the effect on hiring decisions long term are impacted and long term investments are altered accordingly or not made for fear of us hiking it yet again.

We would be far better off just indentifying the best number, establishing a formulaic set of increases (automatic) and then leave it the hell alone.

[TNF]

What is more ridiculous is this idea that less than $20 an hour is a living wage.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is more ridiculous is this idea that less than $20 an hour is a living wage.

In many places that would go quite far yes. It depends on where you live. But of course regionalizing it was something you weren't very fond of as I recall.

[Cranberry]

I guess Yankee's approach is sensible, and I noticed his bill, which I would support if the minimum wage as outlined in it was raised to in fact those $15 per hour we have been talking about. I would think the big issue here is a question of which approach to the issue is preferable to the individual Senators, either the one outlined in this bill, or the one outlined in the bill presented by Senator Yankee. If a majority of Senators should prefer the latter, I wonder if it was not more sensible to go over debating at said bill?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I guess Yankee's approach is sensible, and I noticed his bill, which I would support if the minimum wage as outlined in it was raised to in fact those $15 per hour we have been talking about. I would think the big issue here is a question of which approach to the issue is preferable to the individual Senators, either the one outlined in this bill, or the one outlined in the bill presented by Senator Yankee. If a majority of Senators should prefer the latter, I wonder if it was not more sensible to go over debating at said bill?

You mean debate it in here as an amendment? I considered that, but the primary purpose is different and the text I outlined was indeed a starting point to provide a clean slate as well as stability moving forward. My personal preference would to at some point move away from the minimum wage but organizing a beefing up of the Nixcome as an alternative would be a tall order seeing as how we barely got the most recent carer's bill finished and the budget (speaks for itself).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That said I am open to pursuing an alternative path to the same end point.

[TNF]

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