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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2015, 02:34:24 AM »

Thing is, Salman is 79 himself and in incredibly poor health, believed to be suffering from among other things dementia. I doubt he can be an effective ruler.

Good.

Ah, and freedom for Raif Badawi!
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2015, 11:01:49 AM »

How long is it likely to be before we end up with a Saudi King not eligible for the Freedom Pass?
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2015, 11:07:53 AM »

How long is it likely to be before we end up with a Saudi King not eligible for the Freedom Pass?

It is unlikely to happen before the end of the dynasty.
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2015, 11:12:23 AM »

Nayef's son Mohammed (55) appointed deputy crown prince.
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2015, 11:16:03 AM »

Nayef's son Mohammed (55) appointed deputy crown prince.

Good for him, but an odd title. Does any other country have a deputy crown prince?
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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2015, 11:19:34 AM »

No, but then again most countries don't have fratrilineal succession.
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2015, 12:17:15 PM »

So seeing as Salman supposedly has dementia, will a regent be appointed?
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2015, 12:20:01 PM »

So seeing as Salman supposedly has dementia, will a regent be appointed?

He gave a speech earlier today, so I don't think he's that.
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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2015, 01:18:17 PM »

Flags at half mast in this country today. Disgusting.
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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2015, 01:20:42 PM »

Maybe "good riddance" is a little excessive, but I certainly won't wish an oppressive theocratic monarch to "rest in peace" either.
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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2015, 01:32:04 PM »



See the tiny black dot there? That's the most sacred site in Islam.
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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2015, 01:51:45 PM »

Comparing U.S. responses to the deaths of Abdullah and Hugo Chavez.
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2015, 02:23:46 PM »

Flags at half mast in this country today. Disgusting.

Ironically it is forbidden to fly their flag at half mast.

As for the Abraj al-Bait:

I think it's crass and vulgar! Remember when Jesus (aka Isa) threw the money changers out of the temple! Well here they are! Right on the masjid! It's desecration, Wahabi desecration.
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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2015, 02:43:36 PM »

They're not even done...







And the landscape, the barren hills, all look so desolate and depressing. They ought to work on those first. But look at this, it looks like a bullpen, the Kaaba is lost even close up:

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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2015, 02:55:09 PM »

Seriously America wtf.
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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2015, 03:06:35 PM »

Abdullah is sadly the best leader Saudi Arabia could have realistically had.

Venezuela could have done better than Chavez.

That's the difference.

Still, I wish our statement on Abdullah's death hadn't been as gushing. A simple "condolences to his family and his country" would have been enough.
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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2015, 03:37:00 PM »

Venezuela could have done better than Chavez.

Chavez was probably better than most if not all of his predecessors. I'm no fan of his, but we have to recognize that his rise was made possible by the failings of the established political class.
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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2015, 03:41:55 PM »

RIP.  Sad
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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2015, 03:46:46 PM »


Spaceport Ka'aba? Good grief.
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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2015, 03:47:30 PM »

Venezuela could have done better than Chavez.

Chavez was probably better than most if not all of his predecessors. I'm no fan of his, but we have to recognize that his rise was made possible by the failings of the established political class.

I would agree but there was nothing stopping Chavez from NOT stripping opposition mayors of their power and NOT putting opposition leaders in jail on trumped up charges. These aren't things that were demanded by the people.

Unlike in Saudi Arabia, where no one could undertake a campaign of secularization because they would be overthrown almost immediately.
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« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2015, 04:10:41 PM »

No remorse, Sauds, who came to Clinton's inauguration, are clearly public enemy number one, as they and the Taliban and the Pakistan, supported Bin Laden's wohoppism and 911.
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« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2015, 05:28:47 PM »

Regarding Simfan's posts on this page: As I said recently in another thread, at least we can trust the people in charge of Iran not to bulldoze Persepolis to build a parking garage or something.
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« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2015, 06:05:34 PM »
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Regarding Simfan's posts on this page: As I said recently in another thread, at least we can trust the people in charge of Iran not to bulldoze Persepolis to build a parking garage or something.

Well, that may certainly be true nowadays, but it's not for lack of trying by some. However it certainly does not compare to the apparently serious consideration currently being given to the idea of demolishing the tomb of Muhammad and re-interring him in an unmarked grave (as king Abdullah has been), an idea endorsed by the Saudi Grand Mufti and the late khatib of the Masjid al-Haram, and something Wahabists have been trying to do since the early 19th century.

The Wahabis already destroyed most of the artifacts of the Prophet's time: Muhammad's birthplace, his house in Medina, the tombs of his mother (which they doused in gasoline and burnt), father, wives, and daughter, to name a few. From a historical perspective it is a tremendous loss, an act of mass vandalism; from a religious perspective the toll must be incalculable. I'm surprised that you don't hear more about it, even from Islamic sources. It's the same thing al-Qaeda did in Bamiyan, Ansar Dine in Timbuktu, and what ISIL are now doing in Iraq and Syria, and for the same reason.
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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2015, 06:06:30 PM »

Nayef's son Mohammed (55) appointed deputy crown prince.

That is huge! Finally, the next generation - in, I guess, another 20 years or so.
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« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2015, 06:11:44 PM »

Venezuela could have done better than Chavez.

Chavez was probably better than most if not all of his predecessors. I'm no fan of his, but we have to recognize that his rise was made possible by the failings of the established political class.

He was not. Not that all recent Venezuelan presidents were nice men, but the standard you set (being less bad - i.e., less damaging to Venezuela - than Chavez) is VERY low. And, then, in any case, there were some truly interesting characters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3mulo_Betancourt

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