Do you support Grexit?

[Niemeyerite]

No, I support making the Euro a real common currency rather than the monstrosity we have now.

[Beezer]

It's like crashing against a wall, certain narratives will remain the same in spite of developments.

Grexit and a general contraction in size of the eurozone. The EZ is clearly not working and it is endangering the general European project.

The Eurozone is not working because there's a misguided political direction and a defective institutional architecture. Neither of the two is the Greece's fault. Another question is if you need a scapegoat. On the other hand, there's not 'European project' at this point.

Greece is part of the problem. As is a general difference in opinion about the role of the ECB and a variety of other policy questions. Which is why it makes sense to limit the euro to an area where you have a broad agreement on those matters. There is no point in lumping together countries on the other hand that have immense cultural differences concerning these issues.

[Velasco]

There is no point in lumping together countries on the other hand that have immense cultural differences concerning these issues.

Cultural differences in the origin of a bad institutional design and the role of the ECB? LOL. Greece is only a symptom of that and your sentence - which just reflects a extended thinking- only proves that the so called European project is dead for many. Actually you are Eurosceptic, it's only that you haven't realised.

[MaxQue]

No, he is for Europe, as long than Germany is running it.

[Beezer]

No, I am for cooperation on a variety of topics that Europeans can agree on. I do think that the EU sans Euro has been a fantastic success story. W/o European integration, some countries in Europe might have slid back into authoritarianism during the last economic crisis. Being within the European fold has kept them on a relatively tight leash though. I enjoy traveling through a Europe w/o borders and having the ability to relatively easily move between member states.

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I don't get what there is to lol about. The Germans wanted this kind of ECB. German politicians would in all likelihood never have signed up to a project guided by a less Bundesbanky ECB while other nations begrudgingly signed up to such a framework. So as you can see some of the problems are down to rather different interpretations of the role and scope of a central bank.

[ag]

It's like crashing against a wall, certain narratives will remain the same in spite of developments.

Grexit and a general contraction in size of the eurozone. The EZ is clearly not working and it is endangering the general European project.

The Eurozone is not working because there's a misguided political direction and a defective institutional architecture. Neither of the two is the Greece's fault.

Considering that a major symptom of "misguided political direction" has been allowing Greece to join the Eurozone, and that a big chunk of the "defective institutional architecture" has been having Greece in the Eurozone, I would not have Greece acquited of the blame so easily.

[MaxQue]

It's like crashing against a wall, certain narratives will remain the same in spite of developments.

Grexit and a general contraction in size of the eurozone. The EZ is clearly not working and it is endangering the general European project.

The Eurozone is not working because there's a misguided political direction and a defective institutional architecture. Neither of the two is the Greece's fault.

Considering that a major symptom of "misguided political direction" has been allowing Greece to join the Eurozone, and that a big chunk of the "defective institutional architecture" has been having Greece in the Eurozone, I would not have Greece acquited of the blame so easily.

No, the issue is than Eurozone policies are decided by Germany, for Germany.

[ag]

It's like crashing against a wall, certain narratives will remain the same in spite of developments.

Grexit and a general contraction in size of the eurozone. The EZ is clearly not working and it is endangering the general European project.

The Eurozone is not working because there's a misguided political direction and a defective institutional architecture. Neither of the two is the Greece's fault.

Considering that a major symptom of "misguided political direction" has been allowing Greece to join the Eurozone, and that a big chunk of the "defective institutional architecture" has been having Greece in the Eurozone, I would not have Greece acquited of the blame so easily.

No, the issue is than Eurozone policies are decided by Germany, for Germany.

Well, then expell Germany and see what is left

[MaxQue]

It's like crashing against a wall, certain narratives will remain the same in spite of developments.

Grexit and a general contraction in size of the eurozone. The EZ is clearly not working and it is endangering the general European project.

The Eurozone is not working because there's a misguided political direction and a defective institutional architecture. Neither of the two is the Greece's fault.

Considering that a major symptom of "misguided political direction" has been allowing Greece to join the Eurozone, and that a big chunk of the "defective institutional architecture" has been having Greece in the Eurozone, I would not have Greece acquited of the blame so easily.

No, the issue is than Eurozone policies are decided by Germany, for Germany.

Well, then expell Germany and see what is left

No, but, I mean, if they really want a common money, they must compromise. Euro can't be a Deutsch Mark than other countries happen to use, unless you want to destroy European Union in the process.

[ag]

It's like crashing against a wall, certain narratives will remain the same in spite of developments.

Grexit and a general contraction in size of the eurozone. The EZ is clearly not working and it is endangering the general European project.

The Eurozone is not working because there's a misguided political direction and a defective institutional architecture. Neither of the two is the Greece's fault.

Considering that a major symptom of "misguided political direction" has been allowing Greece to join the Eurozone, and that a big chunk of the "defective institutional architecture" has been having Greece in the Eurozone, I would not have Greece acquited of the blame so easily.

No, the issue is than Eurozone policies are decided by Germany, for Germany.

Well, then expell Germany and see what is left

No, but, I mean, if they really want a common money, they must compromise. Euro can't be a Deutsch Mark than other countries happen to use, unless you want to destroy European Union in the process.

Well, the reasonable compromise would be to have Germany and a few other willilng countries to keep the euro and the rest (the non-willing) do whatever they like - they can create their own "southern euro" if they so like.  Alternatively, I suggest annexing Greece to Bavaria - that way Greeks would have some representation in the Bundestag.

[MaxQue]

It's like crashing against a wall, certain narratives will remain the same in spite of developments.

Grexit and a general contraction in size of the eurozone. The EZ is clearly not working and it is endangering the general European project.

The Eurozone is not working because there's a misguided political direction and a defective institutional architecture. Neither of the two is the Greece's fault.

Considering that a major symptom of "misguided political direction" has been allowing Greece to join the Eurozone, and that a big chunk of the "defective institutional architecture" has been having Greece in the Eurozone, I would not have Greece acquited of the blame so easily.

No, the issue is than Eurozone policies are decided by Germany, for Germany.

Well, then expell Germany and see what is left

No, but, I mean, if they really want a common money, they must compromise. Euro can't be a Deutsch Mark than other countries happen to use, unless you want to destroy European Union in the process.

Well, the reasonable compromise would be to have Germany and a few other willilng countries to keep the euro and the rest (the non-willing) do whatever they like - they can create their own "southern euro" if they so like.  Alternatively, I suggest annexing Greece to Bavaria - that way Greeks would have some representation in the Bundestag.

The issue is while it may please Germany, it won't ever please European Union and Eurocrats.

[Beezer]

No, the issue is than Eurozone policies are decided by Germany, for Germany.

What makes you think Germany is running the show? It can't govern the EZ on its own...numerous other countries support Germany's stance or actually advocate a tougher line (see Finland) which is why you have a focus on reforms and austerity.