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« on: January 28, 2015, 06:20:55 PM »

HP. I can understand that the U.S. has supported dictators in the past, but there's a difference between run-of-the-mill oppression and literally destroying your country and killing off a significant chunk of the population to stay in power. Especially since the U.S. said for years he should leave power, Obama laid out his red lines, it's humiliating for the U.S. that we have to turn to him now.
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 07:14:32 PM »

Other: Assad is clearly an HP, but I'd prefer him to stay in power.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 07:18:06 PM »

Most people in his position would have absconded to Dubai with suitcases full of cash and gold bullion quite some time ago. Even if he left the treasury completely bare, he'd be leaving his country in a better position than it's in now.
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 08:01:14 PM »

Obviously an uber-HP. ISIS doesn't change that.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 09:55:35 PM »

Other: Assad is clearly an HP, but I'd prefer him to stay in power.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 09:57:45 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 09:59:57 PM »

The lesser evil... which is really saying something when you think of what a bastard he is.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 10:02:15 PM »

The lesser evil... which is really saying something when you think of what a bastard he is.
Actually this.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2015, 10:02:47 PM »

Assad certainly isn't a great guy, but he's better than the alternatives.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 12:32:12 AM »

Clear HP but a necessary evil in this case.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 01:18:52 AM »

The lesser evil... which is really saying something when you think of what a bastard he is.

     Quite true. Even before ISIS emerged as a major player, I was deeply skeptical about supporting the rebellion in Syria for the simple reason that I could see whoever took power being even worse than Assad. We really shouldn't be involved in the Middle East.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2015, 01:34:12 AM »
« Edited: January 29, 2015, 01:36:37 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Aside from the Kurds, he's clearly the lesser of the evils there.
It's disgusting that Hillary convinced Obama to arm some of the jihadists there.
Unlike Hillary, McCain, Graham, and so on, I don't support arming Al Qaeda.
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2015, 02:23:41 AM »

The Stalin to ISIS's Hitler. Sadly, the only realistic prospect is him staying in power for now considering the FSA has been wholly marginalized.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2015, 04:27:21 AM »

Obviously an uber-HP. ISIS doesn't change that.
^^^^

"Lesser evil" people can go f**k themselves.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2015, 08:17:27 AM »

There is an alternative to Assad that isn't ISIS.

Assad and ISIS alike are obviously bloodthirsty murderers who deserve anything that comes their way. Major HP. "Lesser evilism" in this instance is utterly disgusting, especially when there are clear and democratic alternatives in the region (like the Kurds) doing battle against both Islamism and autocracy.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2015, 03:59:03 PM »
« Edited: January 29, 2015, 10:20:32 PM by ChairmanSanchez »

Obviously an uber-HP. ISIS doesn't change that.
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"Lesser evil" people can go f**k themselves.
Tell that to the people in the army who actually have to go over and risk their lives for this pointless operation.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 05:03:03 PM »

He's a monster. A brutal dictator racking up the kind of mass killings we haven't seen in a long time.

ISIS may be more dangerous and evil in the long run, but it doesn't make Assad's scorched-earth tactics any less horrific.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2015, 07:19:23 PM »

Obviously an uber-HP. ISIS doesn't change that.
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"Lesser evil" people can go f**k themselves.
Tell that to the people in the army who actually have to go over and risk there lives for this pointless operation.

That doesn't logically follow. You can oppose a bad war while at the same time support the rights of the people who are forced to fight that war (in this case, support the troops by getting them the hell out of there and coming back home, along with improving  the disgustingly inadequate health care that veterans get and supporting what is oftentimes, a difficult reintegration into American society).

I'd argue that the position laid out above is more morally consistent-and better, period-than the all too common bandwagon, superficial "Support the troops!" bumper-sticker crap that many people (including, I might add, a lot of people who have never served) use to make themselves feel superior to their political opponents.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2015, 10:18:50 PM »

There is an alternative to Assad that isn't ISIS.

Assad and ISIS alike are obviously bloodthirsty murderers who deserve anything that comes their way. Major HP. "Lesser evilism" in this instance is utterly disgusting, especially when there are clear and democratic alternatives in the region (like the Kurds) doing battle against both Islamism and autocracy.

     The Kurds aren't going to rule all of Syria, so that is a nonstarter.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2015, 11:38:46 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2015, 11:40:42 PM »

There is an alternative to Assad that isn't ISIS.

Assad and ISIS alike are obviously bloodthirsty murderers who deserve anything that comes their way. Major HP. "Lesser evilism" in this instance is utterly disgusting, especially when there are clear and democratic alternatives in the region (like the Kurds) doing battle against both Islamism and autocracy.

     The Kurds aren't going to rule all of Syria, so that is a nonstarter.

No, but they might destabilize enough of it to set off a region-wide second wave of revolutions. That's the best scenario here. Another wave of revolutionary activity to end ISIS and overthrow the Gulf monarchies.
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2015, 11:56:38 PM »

There is an alternative to Assad that isn't ISIS.

Assad and ISIS alike are obviously bloodthirsty murderers who deserve anything that comes their way. Major HP. "Lesser evilism" in this instance is utterly disgusting, especially when there are clear and democratic alternatives in the region (like the Kurds) doing battle against both Islamism and autocracy.

     The Kurds aren't going to rule all of Syria, so that is a nonstarter.

No, but they might destabilize enough of it to set off a region-wide second wave of revolutions. That's the best scenario here. Another wave of revolutionary activity to end ISIS and overthrow the Gulf monarchies.

The sort of revolution you get from destabilizing the Middle East is not something to be desired.
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2015, 02:13:15 AM »

There is an alternative to Assad that isn't ISIS.

Assad and ISIS alike are obviously bloodthirsty murderers who deserve anything that comes their way. Major HP. "Lesser evilism" in this instance is utterly disgusting, especially when there are clear and democratic alternatives in the region (like the Kurds) doing battle against both Islamism and autocracy.

     The Kurds aren't going to rule all of Syria, so that is a nonstarter.

No, but they might destabilize enough of it to set off a region-wide second wave of revolutions. That's the best scenario here. Another wave of revolutionary activity to end ISIS and overthrow the Gulf monarchies.

I'd love to see the Gulf Monarchies (especially Saudi Arabia) gone.  But the thought of who might replace them is truly frightening.
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2015, 02:53:55 AM »

There is an alternative to Assad that isn't ISIS.

Assad and ISIS alike are obviously bloodthirsty murderers who deserve anything that comes their way. Major HP. "Lesser evilism" in this instance is utterly disgusting, especially when there are clear and democratic alternatives in the region (like the Kurds) doing battle against both Islamism and autocracy.

     The Kurds aren't going to rule all of Syria, so that is a nonstarter.

No, but they might destabilize enough of it to set off a region-wide second wave of revolutions. That's the best scenario here. Another wave of revolutionary activity to end ISIS and overthrow the Gulf monarchies.

yeah, cause revolutions in the Middle East have always turned out well.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2015, 10:46:56 AM »

There is an alternative to Assad that isn't ISIS.

Assad and ISIS alike are obviously bloodthirsty murderers who deserve anything that comes their way. Major HP. "Lesser evilism" in this instance is utterly disgusting, especially when there are clear and democratic alternatives in the region (like the Kurds) doing battle against both Islamism and autocracy.

     The Kurds aren't going to rule all of Syria, so that is a nonstarter.

No, but they might destabilize enough of it to set off a region-wide second wave of revolutions. That's the best scenario here. Another wave of revolutionary activity to end ISIS and overthrow the Gulf monarchies.

The sort of revolution you get from destabilizing the Middle East is not something to be desired.

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