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Simfan34
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« on: January 28, 2015, 11:36:41 PM »

Can someone tell me Section 17 of Article IV... wait, wait. That should be Article VI, not Article IV. Could someone please introduce an amendment to fix that?

Anyway, Can someone tell me what Section 17 of Article VI of the Regional Constitution means? "The enumeration in this Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." It essentially says that there are "secret rights" not listed in the constitution that still exist. Now I'm well aware this is copied verbatim from the Federal Constitution but it doesn't make the clause any less nonsensical.

EDIT: Oh, you already fixed that. Thanks! Smiley
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Simfan34
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2015, 01:03:20 AM »

Well I suppose so, but what are these rights? Whence do they come? Who decided they were rights? If these "rights" are not enumerated or actually described how can we be sure our laws are not violating these "rights"? How could we legislate or do anything at all in the face of an infinite number of unspecified rights "retained by the people"?

If I am arrested for doing some thing x, and I claim that I in fact have a right to x and argue that Art. VI S. 17 not only allows for the existence of a "right to x" but protects that right, how could that possibly be disproven? How could the claim of a right to anything be disproven?

You see what the problem with this section is, yes?
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Simfan34
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2015, 03:49:20 PM »

Can someone please explain me this amendment?

In essence, the governor is trying to get rid of a part of our regional  consitution that is roughly equivalent to the 9th Amendment of the US Constitution. I, personally, don't see the issue with it.

I think this is a considerable mischaracterisation, to say the least.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2015, 12:15:43 AM »

Huh? That's in there? I thought that dealt with the states.

Erm, can I withdraw?
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