New bill in Texas allows Teachers to use deadly force at school

[Murica!]

Yeah..... I really don't know what to say.
Here it is by the way
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/html/HB00868I.htm

 And if your to lazy to read it here's the main part:
 Sec. 38A.002.  EDUCATOR'S DEFENSE OF SELF OR STUDENTS. (a)
    An educator is justified in using force or deadly force on school
    property, on a school bus, or at a school-sponsored event in defense
    of the educator's person or in defense of students of the school
    that employs the educator if, under the circumstances as the
    educator reasonably believes them to be, the educator would be
    justified under Section 9.31, 9.32, or 9.33, Penal Code, in using
    force or deadly force, as applicable, in defense of the educator or
    students.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Basically it affirms a teacher's right to self-defense, and to defend the lives of their students.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Basically it affirms a teacher's right to self-defense, and to defend the lives of their students.

Yea, because we totally need to stretch THAT language.  Isn't this well-assumed? 

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I'd be surprised if Texas doesn't already have a more generic law allowing for the use of deadly force in such circumstances.  If anything, I'd prefer to have such circumstances be narrowly defined as here than be generic.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

5 points for excessive hyperbole subject line.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

5 points for excessive hyperbole subject line.

I already toned it down from the original.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

5 points for excessive hyperbole subject line.

I already toned it down from the original.

That's one edit that's hard to argue with.  Now, countdown to krazen in 3,2,1..........

[Associate Justice PiT]

Basically it affirms a teacher's right to self-defense, and to defend the lives of their students.

Yea, because we totally need to stretch THAT language.  Isn't this well-assumed? 

     Laws shouldn't be passed based on what is well-assumed, unless there is actual precedent in case law (which there may not be here). Otherwise, some teacher may kill a psychotic intruder in self-defense and end up in years of litigation and political handwringing for protecting the class. Specificity is important.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Basically it affirms a teacher's right to self-defense, and to defend the lives of their students.

Yea, because we totally need to stretch THAT language.  Isn't this well-assumed? 

     Laws shouldn't be passed based on what is well-assumed, unless there is actual precedent in case law (which there may not be here). Otherwise, some teacher may kill a psychotic intruder in self-defense and end up in years of litigation and political handwringing for protecting the class. Specificity is important.

This would normally apply.  This is also Texas.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Basically it affirms a teacher's right to self-defense, and to defend the lives of their students.

Yea, because we totally need to stretch THAT language.  Isn't this well-assumed? 

     Laws shouldn't be passed based on what is well-assumed, unless there is actual precedent in case law (which there may not be here). Otherwise, some teacher may kill a psychotic intruder in self-defense and end up in years of litigation and political handwringing for protecting the class. Specificity is important.

This would normally apply.  This is also Texas.

     Texas has to have laws too, even if they tend to pass some strange ones. I would just say that people should read it closely and raise a hew and cry if there is something problematic in there, like allowing teachers to shoot disruptive students.

[SteveRogers]

Yeah, after a quick look at the existing Texas statutes on self-defense and defense of third persons (which are the ones you see incorporated into this statute), I don't think this actually changes the law in Texas. It literally is just saying that a teacher can use force or deadly force if they would already be justified in using force or deadly force.

[Free Bird]

Fantastic

[anvi]

The language of the bill that makes me nervous is "as the educator reasonably believes them to be..."  I've been teaching for twenty years.  Educators think all kinds of crazy things are reasonable. 

[Associate Justice PiT]

The language of the bill that makes me nervous is "as the educator reasonably believes them to be..."  I've been teaching for twenty years.  Educators think all kinds of crazy things are reasonable. 

     Reasonability in the law is about what the court finds to be reasonable. Perhaps the use of the word itself would prompt some unhinged teacher to cause problems, but I doubt they would familiarize themselves enough with the law to think of that or would restrain themselves in absence of that word if they really are that bad.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Why is this bill necessary? Doesn't this statement already exist in like 10 different incarnations throughout various different laws in Texas?

[badgate]

Why is this bill necessary?

Gun rights are under attack by this guy

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