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« on: January 30, 2015, 02:45:46 PM »
Apparently the standard set in Texas law is Lennie Small from Of Mice and Men. Like actually. Unbelievable that this is allowed to happen.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/30/texas-executes-robert-ladd-intellectually-disabled-prisoner
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 02:47:35 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Illini on January 30, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Apparently the standard set in Texas law is Lennie Small from Of Mice and Men. Like actually. Unbelievable that this is allowed to happen.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/30/texas-executes-robert-ladd-intellectually-disabled-prisoner

Why would a state not use a threshold of 70 IQ?
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 03:17:03 PM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on January 30, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Why would a state not use a threshold of 70 IQ?
Because the use of a single numerical measure, especially one not designed to measure the specific area of moral intelligence, as a sufficient determinant of whether the killer was morally culpable makes no sense. Intelligence is too complicated to be boiled down to a single number.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 10:54:52 PM »
In Texas, retarded people either get executed or become governor.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 11:13:47 PM »
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 03, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
In Texas, retarded people either get executed or become governor.
More accurately, if your poor and retarded you get executed, if your rich and retarded you become a politician.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 11:56:22 PM »
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 03, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
In Texas, retarded people either get executed or become governor.

Love it.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 12:00:20 AM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on January 30, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Illini on January 30, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Apparently the standard set in Texas law is Lennie Small from Of Mice and Men. Like actually. Unbelievable that this is allowed to happen.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/30/texas-executes-robert-ladd-intellectually-disabled-prisoner

Why would a state not use a threshold of 70 IQ?

Wouldn't everyone either be smart enough to intentionally fail the IQ test, or fail on their own merit?
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 01:37:06 AM »
The opposite of Christian values. These bloodthirsty folks in the South ought to learn some forgiveness, especially under these circumstances.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 01:41:50 AM »
Quote from: Pacific Speaker Türkisblau on February 04, 2015, 01:37:06 AM
The opposite of Christian values. These bloodthirsty folks in the South ought to learn some forgiveness, especially under these circumstances.
Christianity when convenient, essentially.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 01:53:12 AM »
As someone who is against the death penalty, I don't really see why mental disability would make it wrong if it is not wrong otherwise. If this person was judged to be culpable for murder in spite of any mental disability, then what is the crucial factor?
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 02:52:14 AM »
Quote from: SPC on February 04, 2015, 12:00:20 AM
Quote from: Snowstalker on January 30, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Illini on January 30, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Apparently the standard set in Texas law is Lennie Small from Of Mice and Men. Like actually. Unbelievable that this is allowed to happen.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/30/texas-executes-robert-ladd-intellectually-disabled-prisoner

Why would a state not use a threshold of 70 IQ?

Wouldn't everyone either be smart enough to intentionally fail the IQ test, or fail on their own merit?

If the death penalty is going to be used, than the best way to do it is to reject challenges based on mental status/age and instead require appeals to based on the merits and legal foundation of the law at question and the legality/merits of the trial. Obviously, this means all fifty states should pay for lawyers for the appeals process (should the defendant not be able to afford one), just as they would at trial.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 07:23:13 AM »
Why should all fifty states pay for it? Not all have the death penalty.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2015, 07:37:11 AM »
Quote from: incredibly specific types of post-punk music on February 04, 2015, 07:23:13 AM
Why should all fifty states pay for it? Not all have the death penalty.

I'm assuming all fifty states won't have the death penalty, actually.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2015, 08:09:23 AM »
Quote from: shua on February 04, 2015, 01:53:12 AM
As someone who is against the death penalty, I don't really see why mental disability would make it wrong if it is not wrong otherwise.
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