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« on: January 31, 2015, 02:30:05 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 07:05:49 PM »

Why are we banning pesticides?
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 10:27:31 AM »


Yeah, all due respect to Emperor Flo, but this seems unnecessary.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 10:44:06 AM »


http://scorecard.goodguide.com/chemical-groups/one-list.tcl?short_list_name=brpest

These are all pesticides that are banned or severely restricted in (rl) 'murica. Our government is known to operate more on the risky side of things, so if Atlasia has no regulations/bans regarding these dangerous chemicals, a lot of environmental damage can be done, not including the damage to our people's health.

Just dismissing it because it's a ban on sorts of pesticides is silly.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 11:59:26 AM »


http://scorecard.goodguide.com/chemical-groups/one-list.tcl?short_list_name=brpest

These are all pesticides that are banned or severely restricted in (rl) 'murica. Our government is known to operate more on the risky side of things, so if Atlasia has no regulations/bans regarding these dangerous chemicals, a lot of environmental damage can be done, not including the damage to our people's health.

Just dismissing it because it's a ban on sorts of pesticides is silly.

I'm fine with just banning the ones that are banned IRL.  I was unaware Atlasia had no pesticide regulations.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2015, 12:21:32 PM »

Unless there's a bill on the federal level repealing pesticide regulations, I see no need for this bill.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2015, 02:22:40 PM »

There's literally no federal bill regulating pesticide use, so pesticides such as DDT or chlorobenzilate can be used, completely disregarding the health and safety of our citizens. These pesticides are used significantly more in rural, agricultural areas (obviously) and here in the south we have a lot of rural, agricultural areas.

These regulations can and will improve the help of people down here, especially our workers.

We've seen the harm that these pesticides can cause, even the smallest of doses. Cancer, reproductive damage, all are reasons we shouldn't continue the use of these pesticides.

Of course I would rather have the Senate pass this bill, but in the meantime, can't we protect our people from them in the meantime?
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2015, 02:31:55 PM »

Here's the issue - is Atlasia just where U.S. Government left off or not?
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2015, 04:41:47 PM »

If these regulations were put in place before 2004, then we have them in Atlasia.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2015, 04:52:22 PM »

If these regulations were put in place before 2004, then we have them in Atlasia.

That's what I thought. The question is, do you want to add more to the list? I would be happy to have that discussion.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2015, 05:13:16 PM »

If these regulations were put in place before 2004, then we have them in Atlasia.

That's what I thought. The question is, do you want to add more to the list? I would be happy to have that discussion.

There have been some changes to the law since 2004, and I'd like this to be the complete list of banned pesticides.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2015, 05:49:51 PM »

If these regulations were put in place before 2004, then we have them in Atlasia.

That's what I thought. The question is, do you want to add more to the list? I would be happy to have that discussion.

There have been some changes to the law since 2004, and I'd like this to be the complete list of banned pesticides.

How about we only have the ones that have been added since 2004? I don't think it's wise to have redundancies in the law.
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2015, 06:22:37 PM »

Flo, your response?
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2015, 08:03:35 AM »


Ah, sorry sir.

I'll respond later today.
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 07:30:33 AM »

I believe that the best way to go forward with this bill is to show all the pesticides being banned, so when players look up what passed here, they can see what exactly is not allowed, and I think this is the best way to continue with this bill.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2015, 11:10:36 AM »

Here's my idea for the way forward

- We only add to the law the changes since 2004.

- However, we split the bill up so that it acknowledges all of the pesticides that are currently banned.

What do you think?

So the bill would look something like

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2015, 01:38:50 PM »

We can't ban pesticides! How will my grandfather keep the bugs out of his yard?
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2015, 08:41:55 AM »

Here's my idea for the way forward

- We only add to the law the changes since 2004.

- However, we split the bill up so that it acknowledges all of the pesticides that are currently banned.

What do you think?

So the bill would look something like

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I do like that idea,  you'll have to give me a bit to offer an amendment.

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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2015, 05:44:33 AM »

Sure, and please take into account the research I've done on the issue.
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2015, 02:29:04 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2015, 05:18:42 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2015, 07:03:18 PM »

Seeing as there are no objections, the amendment passes.

Anything else?
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2015, 11:40:57 PM »

Why is this necessary?
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2015, 11:49:23 PM »

Amending the structure w as okay I guess (since I like pretty bills), but I guess I want to know what about the new pesticides that we are proposing banning are harmful? I don't want us to be overburdening and over-regulating our farmers by banning potential ways to save their farms from stupid bugs.
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2015, 12:20:56 AM »

No no, I mean why is this bill necessary in general, not your amendment. Tongue
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