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American Union: Vice President Charles H. Percy of Illinois
 
#2
American Union: Congressman Larry McDonald of Georgia
 
#3
American Union: Former Governor Ronald Reagan of California
 
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American Union: Senator George H.W. Bush of Texas
 
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American Union: Senator Bob Dole of Kansas
 
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American Union: Senator Howard Baker of Tennessee
 
#7
American Union: Former President Barry Goldwater of Arizona
 
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« on: February 05, 2015, 10:26:20 PM »

1980 would be a fascinating election to observe for a couple of reasons. While turmoil and the ultimate upset over at the WP caught international attention (more on that later), the AU also faced difficulties of its own. President Taft, unpopular in his own party, faced primary challenges on all sides. While he was able to win a plurality of delegates from the contests, his lead was far from a majority, which meant the nomination would be settled at the convention. On July 1, about two weeks away from the convention's start, Taft suffered a major heart attack while attending a meeting with business leaders. Taft would not die at the same age as his father had, but the health scare forced him to withdraw from the race and retire at the end of his term. This left the nomination essentially for anybody's grabbing, and soon the convention would resemble more of a free-for-all. Vice President Chuck Percy jumped in, hoping to consolidate Taft's supporters and continue on his legacy. Other candidates that announced their last-minute bids include Senators Bob Dole and Howard Baker. Finally, a significant draft movement emerged for nominating former President Barry Goldwater, an intensely divisive figure but adored by conservatives. Reports have surfaced that the Reagan camp is actively whipping delegates to unite behind Goldwater should Reagan fail to become the frontrunner.

Who will become the nominee? That is left up to you, AU delegates. Two days.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2015, 11:14:01 PM »

McDonald.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2015, 11:33:21 PM »

The banana
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2015, 11:38:46 PM »

Percy seems like a decent guy, so him.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2015, 11:53:04 PM »

Howard Baker is the man to unite the party.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2015, 11:56:28 PM »

Whoever makes it easier for a reverse IRL 1980 that gives the landslide to Frank Church/Jimmy Carter

NOTE: What, I can wish can't I?
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2015, 12:03:08 AM »

For people from the, er, opposite camp who might strategically vote a certain way, that has its own repercussions. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2015, 12:25:07 AM »

All hail the return of President Goldwater!
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2015, 12:28:22 AM »

For people from the, er, opposite camp who might strategically vote a certain way, that has its own repercussions. Smiley

Truth be told, I would've sat it out if the results would've been open without voting.

But since I'm number crunching from initial lead to the end, I have to vote to see the direction things will be going.

And I'd have done the same thing to the DA under the same circumstances had Church not been not been solidly nominated.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2015, 02:04:02 AM »

All hail the return of President Goldwater!
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2015, 02:06:56 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 05:37:40 AM »

Shrub the Elder (I seem to have been his only supporter throughout the primaries Tongue )
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 08:01:55 AM »
« Edited: February 06, 2015, 09:39:12 AM by Joffrey Baratheon, King of the Vicious Idiots »

Whoever makes it easier for a reverse IRL 1980 that gives the landslide to Frank Church/Jimmy Carter

NOTE: What, I can wish can't I?

Why would Church's runningmate be Carter?  The only vote for VP from a Church supporter was for a Church/Metzenbaum ticket and Carter is in a different party than Church (and one that just nominated LaRouche of all people).  It's not like Church would realistically need Carter's support (or any sort of unity ticket) to win over non-LaRouchies from the WP. Also can we please not do strategic voting?  It just makes the elections less interesting.  I'm not even voting in this primary for that very reason Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2015, 10:54:05 AM »

Whoever makes it easier for a reverse IRL 1980 that gives the landslide to Frank Church/Jimmy Carter

NOTE: What, I can wish can't I?

Why would Church's runningmate be Carter?  The only vote for VP from a Church supporter was for a Church/Metzenbaum ticket and Carter is in a different party than Church (and one that just nominated LaRouche of all people).  It's not like Church would realistically need Carter's support (or any sort of unity ticket) to win over non-LaRouchies from the WP. Also can we please not do strategic voting?  It just makes the elections less interesting.  I'm not even voting in this primary for that very reason Tongue

He wouldn't (hence "I can wish can't I?"):

But keep in mind:

 The DA formed on an ideological fallout in the first place, and easily could've not chosen Morse the first time around as Running Mate.

Yes he's not needed for non-LaRocuhie support, but why stop there? The DA have NEVER won the South, and sans 1972 lefty-split that allowed  Taft a landslide, the AU have been losing the Northeast (and even then McCarthy stole votes from the otherwise solidly Muskie rural areas, and otherwise solidly Kennedy urban areas).

1976 before the final hour had Sanford holding up in the Northeast and dominating in the South, and in the end, he still had the South, barely lost Pennsylvania to Bayh, and Vermont to Taft, and he kept Maine.

Carter could pretty much do that for the DA, that Metzenbaum couldn't.

WHY would either party deliberately rule out a chance to remain competitive in a weak region and fortify the strong regions?


...But I know that won't happen.


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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 11:51:43 AM »

Whoever makes it easier for a reverse IRL 1980 that gives the landslide to Frank Church/Jimmy Carter

NOTE: What, I can wish can't I?

Why would Church's runningmate be Carter?  The only vote for VP from a Church supporter was for a Church/Metzenbaum ticket and Carter is in a different party than Church (and one that just nominated LaRouche of all people).  It's not like Church would realistically need Carter's support (or any sort of unity ticket) to win over non-LaRouchies from the WP. Also can we please not do strategic voting?  It just makes the elections less interesting.  I'm not even voting in this primary for that very reason Tongue

He wouldn't (hence "I can wish can't I?"):

But keep in mind:

 The DA formed on an ideological fallout in the first place, and easily could've not chosen Morse the first time around as Running Mate.

Yes he's not needed for non-LaRocuhie support, but why stop there? The DA have NEVER won the South, and sans 1972 lefty-split that allowed  Taft a landslide, the AU have been losing the Northeast (and even then McCarthy stole votes from the otherwise solidly Muskie rural areas, and otherwise solidly Kennedy urban areas).

1976 before the final hour had Sanford holding up in the Northeast and dominating in the South, and in the end, he still had the South, barely lost Pennsylvania to Bayh, and Vermont to Taft, and he kept Maine.

Carter could pretty much do that for the DA, that Metzenbaum couldn't.

WHY would either party deliberately rule out a chance to remain competitive in a weak region and fortify the strong regions?


...But I know that won't happen.




Because there is no reason to assume a little known Governor of Georgia who is way to the right of the DA would lock up the South.  Plus Carter had a terrible temperament for elected office and was a pretty bad President IRL.  Metzenbaum would've been great and locked up Ohio!
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2015, 03:08:57 PM »

Whoever makes it easier for a reverse IRL 1980 that gives the landslide to Frank Church/Jimmy Carter

NOTE: What, I can wish can't I?

Why would Church's runningmate be Carter?  The only vote for VP from a Church supporter was for a Church/Metzenbaum ticket and Carter is in a different party than Church (and one that just nominated LaRouche of all people).  It's not like Church would realistically need Carter's support (or any sort of unity ticket) to win over non-LaRouchies from the WP. Also can we please not do strategic voting?  It just makes the elections less interesting.  I'm not even voting in this primary for that very reason Tongue

He wouldn't (hence "I can wish can't I?"):

But keep in mind:

 The DA formed on an ideological fallout in the first place, and easily could've not chosen Morse the first time around as Running Mate.

Yes he's not needed for non-LaRocuhie support, but why stop there? The DA have NEVER won the South, and sans 1972 lefty-split that allowed  Taft a landslide, the AU have been losing the Northeast (and even then McCarthy stole votes from the otherwise solidly Muskie rural areas, and otherwise solidly Kennedy urban areas).

1976 before the final hour had Sanford holding up in the Northeast and dominating in the South, and in the end, he still had the South, barely lost Pennsylvania to Bayh, and Vermont to Taft, and he kept Maine.

Carter could pretty much do that for the DA, that Metzenbaum couldn't.

WHY would either party deliberately rule out a chance to remain competitive in a weak region and fortify the strong regions?


...But I know that won't happen.




Because there is no reason to assume a little known Governor of Georgia who is way to the right of the DA would lock up the South.  Plus Carter had a terrible temperament for elected office and was a pretty bad President IRL.  Metzenbaum would've been great and locked up Ohio!

Agreed about the temperament and the lack of "need" of unity, but highly disagreed about the rest (mostly because the electoral history is vastly different here), and I'm leaving it at that.



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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2015, 05:33:42 PM »

One is upset that Reagan has not won more votes.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2015, 05:57:11 PM »

One is upset that Reagan has not won more votes.

Reagan got 4 votes in the primaries thread. Methinks they have migrated over to Goldwater since I added him here.
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2015, 06:15:00 PM »

One is upset that Reagan has not won more votes.

Reagan got 4 votes in the primaries thread. Methinks they have migrated over to Goldwater since I added him here.

Most likely. I know I'm a Reagan/Goldwater voter.
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2015, 08:51:39 PM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=178971.msg4475270#msg4475270

This what things look like right now, one has to be nominated, so be mindful because right now there is a big tie, and a bunch of little ones.
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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2015, 09:02:19 PM »

Reagan, although I'd be happy with Goldwater.
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