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« on: February 06, 2015, 11:03:55 AM »

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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/06/europe/vatican-pope-spanking-children/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 11:04:26 AM »

That's sad Sad. I totally oppose spanking.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2015, 11:26:20 AM »

I agree with the Pope.  The Bible says "spare not the rod".  As long as you do it with dignity and not excessively hard, it is acceptable.  A father who spanks his son, loves his son.  My generation and those before me were all spanked as children and the vast majority of us turned out a lot better than if we had just been given time out.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2015, 12:57:22 PM »

I fail to see how it is possible to spank a child with 'dignity'.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2015, 12:59:30 PM »

I fail to see how it is possible to spank a child with 'dignity'.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2015, 02:42:36 PM »

Spanking is fine if not done out of anger or vindiction.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2015, 02:46:14 PM »

Spanking is fine if not done out of anger or vindiction.

Really? A parent spanking a child when they are not angry at the child is sinister.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2015, 02:49:27 PM »

Spanking is fine if not done out of anger or vindiction.

Really? A parent spanking a child when they are not angry at the child is sinister.

Huh? A parent spanking a child out of anger/because they can't control their anger would clearly be doing something much worse than spanking a child as a means of correction.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2015, 04:45:34 PM »

Spanking is always wrong. You don't spank prisoners, why would your spank your own children?

Besides, don't studies show that kids who are spanked end up having issues?
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2015, 06:48:20 PM »

Spanking is something that should be in the toolkit of parents, but it shouldn't be a primary tool.  If you are spanking your kids every day, you're doing it wrong.  It also is something that should become rarer as the kids grow older and better able to process verbal correction.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2015, 06:59:07 PM »

Spanking is something that should be in the toolkit of parents

Why?

You can raise kids without it. It is just an all too convenient shortcut.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 07:18:47 PM »

Spanking is something that should be in the toolkit of parents

Why?

You can raise kids without it. It is just an all too convenient shortcut.

Maybe if you have unlimited time to do nothing but child discipline.  If you're a parent whose child continues to misbehaves while you're in the grocery store doing the shopping, a single sharp rap on the bottom makes far more sense than a fifteen minute timeout.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 08:19:49 PM »

this stuff baffles me* -- that the only acceptable civilian-on-civilian assault is the assault of small children. 


*though it really doesn't.  parents are a power structure with dictatorial power inside the home.  who wouldn't want violence as a tool?
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2015, 08:35:23 PM »

The Pope is Catholic. Why are people surprised when this stuff happens?
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 08:51:27 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2015, 08:57:46 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

Spanking is something that should be in the toolkit of parents

Why?

You can raise kids without it. It is just an all too convenient shortcut.

Maybe if you have unlimited time to do nothing but child discipline.  If you're a parent whose child continues to misbehaves while you're in the grocery store doing the shopping, a single sharp rap on the bottom makes far more sense than a fifteen minute timeout.

It is illegal in 44 countries and that has resulted in spanking being socially unacceptable in about 30 in which parents generally manage to make decent people out of their children anyway (the rest are joke bans like Turkmenistan and South Sudan etc.).



(map slightly dated, so a few countries are missing)
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2015, 10:00:43 PM »

I was spanked on the bottom a few times and I turned out fine. There's a difference between that and being beaten.
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2015, 10:10:32 PM »

This is kind of disappointing. I'd argue that while this may, technically, be true, spanking is kind of inherently demeaning to the point where the difference is academic. Which is kind of similar to what I understand of the Vatican's position on capital punishment, come to think of it.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2015, 04:58:00 PM »

Yeah, a little like saying, "Women and homosexuals should be treated with utmost respect and dignity, but we're not going to allow them to do anything and we won't recognize the latter." Okay. FF, right??
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2015, 07:11:13 PM »

Spanking is something that should be in the toolkit of parents, but it shouldn't be a primary tool.  If you are spanking your kids every day, you're doing it wrong.  It also is something that should become rarer as the kids grow older and better able to process verbal correction.
I was spanked on the bottom a few times and I turned out fine. There's a difference between that and being beaten.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2015, 08:47:40 PM »

Spanking is something that should be in the toolkit of parents, but it shouldn't be a primary tool.  If you are spanking your kids every day, you're doing it wrong.  It also is something that should become rarer as the kids grow older and better able to process verbal correction.
I was spanked on the bottom a few times and I turned out fine. There's a difference between that and being beaten.

@Dem: That's grasping at straws

@Maddy: Discipline in general requires some demeaning in it, one doesn't grow and learn if their spirit is not broken from time to time. And with some people, lectures and privilege taking are just not going to do it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2015, 07:19:18 AM »

I was spanked on the bottom a few times and I turned out fine. There's a difference between that and being beaten.

You have to know how terrible of an argument is.

1. Your first sentence is a single piece of anecdotal evidence, which apparently implies that nothing is wrong unless it totally ruins your life.

2. Your second sentence apparently implies that nothing is wrong, unless there's something worse than it.

If your argument is "there are bigger issues than this," OK, yes.  So what?  Do you only hold moral views on things that are life-or-death issues?

Same to you, MormDem, for agree-quoting that post.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2015, 07:55:30 AM »

I was spanked on the bottom a few times and I turned out fine. There's a difference between that and being beaten.

You have to know how terrible of an argument is.

1. Your first sentence is a single piece of anecdotal evidence, which apparently implies that nothing is wrong unless it totally ruins your life.

2. Your second sentence apparently implies that nothing is wrong, unless there's something worse than it.
Except that many who are opposed to spanking equate spanking to being beaten.  While a flashlight and an industrial cutting laser both produce light, they are hardly the same, yet the analogous distinction is lost on many of those who oppose spanking.
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2015, 08:21:12 AM »

I feel like there is a large cultural disconnect here.

Personally, I have no problem with some tough discipline, although I feel like it is not ideal nor should be the first choice of any parent.
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2015, 11:10:40 AM »
« Edited: February 08, 2015, 07:19:33 PM by Clarko95 »

Some kids need to be spanked, some don't. People are different and thus need different forms of discipline to learn what is right and is wrong. Whatever works for your kids


EDIT: Parents can demean, abuse, and be violent toward their children through verbal/emotional abuse and in extreme cases, intentional neglect. Considering I have a mom who is pretty verbally/emotionally abusive towards my brothers and my dad as well as me, I'd rather have taken quick slaps across the face or the wooden spoon on my hand over the past 19 years rather than what she did to us.
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2015, 11:54:18 AM »

Kenya bans spanking? Lol.
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