Kurdish Solidarity Act of 2014 (Passed)

[Cranberry]

There are certainly parts in this act that are very sensible and I support, but I believe that especially clauses 2 and 4 go too far. Maybe it would be better to change the provisions in clause 2 to that Atlasia is committting itsself to see self-determination by the Kurdish people in areas with a Kurdish majority population within Syria and Iraq, maybe even Turkey (and Iran).
Clause 4 is not sensible as it stands, the Kurdish forces could for example stay in Damaskus one day, which by no objective parameter is an integral part of Kurdistan.

[Cranberry]

While I'm not currently part of this honorable body I must urge the senate fail this act. The PKK has actively aided the Islamic State In the senseless killing of Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities without reason or cause. Members of the PKK were amongst those involved in the senseless burning of the Jordanian pilot.

And you sure got sources to prove that

[Cranberry]

I'm supportive of this version. It definetely adds a, let's say Realpolitik-approach to the bill, and I guess focusing more on the Kurdish struggle against IS and the Kurdish Peshmerga in Iraq and Syria is more sensible than to create a new state out of Kurdish Syria...

[Cranberry]

Aye

[Cranberry]

AYE

[Cranberry]

I object the motion

[Cranberry]

I am also inclined to support bore's point here, that if we want the talks to suceed, all parties should be included, not just the one's in governments as of now...

[Cranberry]

Aye

[Cranberry]

Given these last developmemts, I join Senator Polnut's and the Game Moderator's and President's opinion that it might be the absolutely worst moment to talk in such a manner that obviously is offensive to the Turkish government. Instead, it might be wiser to hold off those talks outlined in section 4 for the moment, focus on helping the Kurds in Iraq and Syria and the Iraqi government in their struggle against the Islamic State, and initate such talks just when Turkey signalizes its readieness for them?

[Cranberry]

Yes, Kalwejts comment are very prudent, and I can only echo him.
It might be sad, but in these current times, we won't get further, so I will support the amendment.

[Cranberry]

Aye

For the sake of realism, if for nothing else. There is a second time for everything, let us come back to this then.

[Cranberry]

I support this amendment as well, yet I see no real change for Turkey in here if we still include section 3, which precisely is what got Turkey so enraged. I think we should strike that clause as well, for the sake of keeping Turkey as our allies in the struggle against the Islamic State.

[Cranberry]

Sorry, but please wait here a second.

The current version is this, right:

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Aren't the problems with Turkey still in this bill then, because I could imagine Turkey is not that content with clause 3 of this bill...

[Cranberry]

Okay, thank you.

Well then, I'm all on board.

[Cranberry]

Shall I consider that as an objection for a final vote Cranberry???

No, my concerns have been answered, so I see no reason to object (anymore).

[Cranberry]

AYE

I share some sentiments here that it would certainly have been preferable to do more for the Kurdish cause, yet I just don't think there is more possible given the current geo-political situation in the region... There's a second time for everything, I'd say