French Jews Planning Mass Exodus in Wake of Terrorist Attacks

[Frodo]

A month after kosher market attack, French Jews plan an exodus

By Griff Witte
February 7 at 3:39 PM

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[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

[politicus]

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

Europe is not a country.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Moving from France to Israel because of a terrorist attack is like moving from the US to Mexico because of criminal violence.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

Europe is not a country.

France has the largest Jewish population and the most recent tragedy, but the harassment, intimidation, and terrorizing of Jews is a continent-wide problem right now.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

This narrative is highly exaggerated.

[Indy Texas]

France has the largest Jewish population and the most recent tragedy, but the harassment, intimidation, and terrorizing of Jews is a continent-wide problem right now.

[politicus]

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

Europe is not a country.

France has the largest Jewish population and the most recent tragedy, but the harassment, intimidation, and terrorizing of Jews is a continent-wide problem right now.

It really isn't.

Even if it is was describing "Europe" as if it was one agent ("Europe's capability") would be pointless.

[Horus]

Outside of France and Hungary, antisemitism in Europe appears to be lower than ever. Why they'd want to move to Israel and not Berlin or Barcelona makes no sense to me.

[Famous Mortimer]

Most of these people will end up moving back to France or moving to America 10 years from now when the Israeli state ends up collapsing.

[ingemann]

I have heard this from Anglophone media the last decade and a half. Yes some Jews migrate from France to Israel, but honestly until we see a significant increase, this discussion is just the usual French bashing.

But even if Jews do emigrate from France, what are people suggestion to a solution; place all French Muslims in concentrations camps, ban Jewish emigration, nuke Israel or the rest of the Middle East or what (To the more more literal minded out there don't answer)? If Jews doesn't want to live in France, there's little which can done about it, and it's sad to see a group which give the state a surplus leave.

[ingemann]

Outside of France and Hungary, antisemitism in Europe appears to be lower than ever. Why they'd want to move to Israel and not Berlin or Barcelona makes no sense to me.

Among non-Muslim French people anti-semitism are also lower than ever, just look at the evolution of FN's opinions of Jews. Also if you look at the main group of Jews leaving, it's to large extent young people and with the youth unemployment in France being what it is, we could come with a alternate reason for why they choose to leave.

[njwes]

I have heard this from Anglophone media the last decade and a half. Yes some Jews migrate from France to Israel, but honestly until we see a significant increase, this discussion is just the usual French bashing.

But even if Jews do emigrate from France, what are people suggestion to a solution; place all French Muslims in concentrations camps, ban Jewish emigration, nuke Israel or the rest of the Middle East or what (To the more more literal minded out there don't answer)? If Jews doesn't want to live in France, there's little which can done about it, and it's sad to see a group which give the state a surplus leave.

There has been a significant increase:

"The Jewish Agency, which encourages immigration to Israel, says the number of French Jews leaving for Israel each year had been steady at about 2,000 until 2013, when it hit 3,400. Last year, it jumped to more than 7,000 — making France the leading contributor of immigrants to Israel and marking the first time that more than 1 percent of a Western nation’s Jewish population has left for Israel in a single year, according to Avi Mayer, a spokesman for the Jewish Agency.

Since the Hyper Cacher attack, calls to the Jewish Agency’s Paris office have more than tripled, Mayer said, and the agency is predicting that 15,000 French Jews will move to Israel in 2015."

[Frodo]

But even if Jews do emigrate from France, what are people suggestion to a solution; place all French Muslims in concentrations camps, ban Jewish emigration, nuke Israel or the rest of the Middle East or what (To the more more literal minded out there don't answer)?

Simply do a better job integrating Muslims into mainstream society, instead of leaving them to stew in these ghettos:



...leaving them open to radicalization from Islamic extremists.  

[NewYorkExpress]

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

Realistically, America is just as Anti-Semitic as most of Europe. We just don't report as much because there are so many racial/ethnic groups to offend.

[ingemann]

But even if Jews do emigrate from France, what are people suggestion to a solution; place all French Muslims in concentrations camps, ban Jewish emigration, nuke Israel or the rest of the Middle East or what (To the more more literal minded out there don't answer)?

Simply do a better job integrating Muslims into mainstream society, instead of leaving them to stew in these ghettos:

...leaving them open to radicalization from Islamic extremists.  

Why haven't thought about that, we have a genius here.

[Frodo]

But even if Jews do emigrate from France, what are people suggestion to a solution; place all French Muslims in concentrations camps, ban Jewish emigration, nuke Israel or the rest of the Middle East or what (To the more more literal minded out there don't answer)?

Simply do a better job integrating Muslims into mainstream society, instead of leaving them to stew in these ghettos:

...leaving them open to radicalization from Islamic extremists.  

Why haven't thought about that, we have a genius here.

Unless you're implying you've tried it and have given up on it, what other option (realistically) is out there?   

[ingemann]

But even if Jews do emigrate from France, what are people suggestion to a solution; place all French Muslims in concentrations camps, ban Jewish emigration, nuke Israel or the rest of the Middle East or what (To the more more literal minded out there don't answer)?

Simply do a better job integrating Muslims into mainstream society, instead of leaving them to stew in these ghettos:

...leaving them open to radicalization from Islamic extremists.  

Why haven't thought about that, we have a genius here.

Unless you're implying you've tried it and have given up on it, what other option (realistically) is out there?   

I'm implying there's no fast easy solution and your suggestion was nothing more than the usual French-bashing.

[Frodo]

But even if Jews do emigrate from France, what are people suggestion to a solution; place all French Muslims in concentrations camps, ban Jewish emigration, nuke Israel or the rest of the Middle East or what (To the more more literal minded out there don't answer)?

Simply do a better job integrating Muslims into mainstream society, instead of leaving them to stew in these ghettos:

...leaving them open to radicalization from Islamic extremists.  

Why haven't thought about that, we have a genius here.

Unless you're implying you've tried it and have given up on it, what other option (realistically) is out there?    

I'm implying there's no fast easy solution and your suggestion was nothing more than the usual French-bashing.

Who said I had a 'fast, easy solution'?  Integration is a long-term process -I never suggested otherwise. 

And where in my posts did you come to your bizarre conclusion that I was bashing France?  Do I have a history of doing so?  

[Libertarian Socialist Dem]

The problem is that Jews get blamed for what Israel does just like on the flip side Muslims get blamed for terrorism. When violence against Jews occurs a lot become zionists because they don't know any better and can't look at what Israel's doing objectively just like Muslims might become anti-semites because of the atrocities that Israel commits in Gaza. I wish that people could just acknowledge that Israel is a lunatic racist state and bigotry against Jews is also ed up, that plenty of Jews oppose what Israel is doing and in a sense the right-wing in Israel probably loves seeing hatred against Jews increased because it means that more will flee to Israel.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Outside of France and Hungary, antisemitism in Europe appears to be lower than ever. Why they'd want to move to Israel and not Berlin or Barcelona makes no sense to me.

Because they are French Jews. As bad as the North Africans are, Germans and Hispanics would be even worse in their eyes.

Most of these people will end up moving back to France or moving to America 10 years from now when the Israeli state ends up collapsing.

While I doubt the long term viability of the Zionist state, I don't see Israel collapsing anytime this century.

[politicus]

The problem is that Jews get blamed for what Israel does just like on the flip side Muslims get blamed for terrorism. When violence against Jews occurs a lot become zionists because they don't know any better and can't look at what Israel's doing objectively just like Muslims might become anti-semites because of the atrocities that Israel commits in Gaza. I wish that people could just acknowledge that Israel is a lunatic racist state and bigotry against Jews is also ed up, that plenty of Jews oppose what Israel is doing and in a sense the right-wing in Israel probably loves seeing hatred against Jews increased because it means that more will flee to Israel.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There's a grand total of two countries in Europe (Hungary and Greece) where openly anti-Semitic parties hold seats in parliament. That's a far too high number, as are the number of seats those parties hold in their respective countries, but it doesn't probably show that all of Europe isn't some raging hotbed of anti-Semitism.

[Vosem]

Most of these people will end up moving back to France or moving to America 10 years from now when the Israeli state ends up collapsing.

Good luck with that.

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

Realistically, America is just as Anti-Semitic as most of Europe. We just don't report as much because there are so many racial/ethnic groups to offend.

Being the child of European Jews who emigrated to America, I can assure you this is not the case.

The problem is that Jews get blamed for what Israel does just like on the flip side Muslims get blamed for terrorism. When violence against Jews occurs a lot become zionists because they don't know any better and can't look at what Israel's doing objectively just like Muslims might become anti-semites because of the atrocities that Israel commits in Gaza.

Because it's Israel committing atrocities in Gaza, not Hamas, right?

I wish that people could just acknowledge that Israel is a lunatic racist state

I wish that people could just acknowledge that the earth was created in six days five thousand years ago. Sad how people keep not acknowledging established fact

and bigotry against Jews is also ed up

Well, I'm glad we agree on that.

that plenty of Jews oppose what Israel is doing

That's fine; plenty of Christians support it, and it comes out to more supporters than Jews in the world.

and in a sense the right-wing in Israel probably loves seeing hatred against Jews increased because it means that more will flee to Israel.

Yes, I'm confident the right-wing in Israel (many of whom fled other countries to Israel themselves, or are the children or grandchildren of people who did so) love to see increased anti-Semitism worldwide

While I doubt the long term viability of the Zionist state, I don't see Israel collapsing anytime this century.

By that definition, couldn't you doubt the 'viability' of any state? I doubt the US will still be here in the year 4000.

There's a grand total of two countries in Europe (Hungary and Greece) where openly anti-Semitic parties hold seats in parliament. That's a far too high number, as are the number of seats those parties hold in their respective countries, but it doesn't probably show that all of Europe isn't some raging hotbed of anti-Semitism.

But wouldn't you agree, BRTD (and, unlike the rest of this post, I'm speaking to you non-sarcastically), that "anti-Semitic parties hold seats in parliament" is a catastrophic level of anti-Semitism, and that people might feel threatened before discrimination reaches that level?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

While I doubt the long term viability of the Zionist state, I don't see Israel collapsing anytime this century.

By that definition, couldn't you doubt the 'viability' of any state? I doubt the US will still be here in the year 4000.

The US is unlikely to collapse in a manner that causes its inhabitants to flee for somewhere else.  The State of Israel is likely to so collapse.  Israel has chosen to base its existence upon the proposition that it will always be militarily superior to its neighbors.  That is true now, but it will not always be true.