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« on: February 08, 2015, 08:14:13 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2015, 02:50:17 PM »

Wow I'm surprised this isn't in the law already. I don't I think I see any glaring issues in it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2015, 04:32:28 PM »

Wow I'm surprised this isn't in the law already. I don't I think I see any glaring issues in it.
I was surprised not to see something like this sooner as well.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2015, 10:55:26 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 05:49:49 PM »

So I originally meant to post this way earlier, but anyway.

The thing the gives me pause are the rather lengthy prison sentences and fines.  Obviously attempting to sell sex without getting the proper checkups and/or while having an STD is very bad, and should be punished in some form.  However, it must be noted that sex workers are often very disadvantaged individuals, simply attempting to make ends meet.  Leveling massive fines and including jail time can hurt more than it helps.  So I guess my question is: is there a way we could look more at rehabilitation than punishment in this case?

I've looked over the Midwest Prostitution Act, and while it certainly lays down some good rules regarding sex work, there are some issues it has.  Employers at brothels are allowed to take a chunk of the profits earned by the sex workers, and with sex work itself being taxed at 50%, it would hardly surprise me if workers decided to attempt to earn their money on the streets, away from the high taxes.  Which could lead them to violence, exploitation, and disease.  So I'd be willing to vote on a modified version of this bill, but sincerely think we need to tool with the other one as well.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 10:22:20 PM »

I am willing to come on the fine amounts some. However, I am not going to back down on 1.4. I understand critiques to both this and the other legislation pertaining to sex work. I would be more than willing to work with you on legislation around this (which I tried to say via response to a PM you sent me, but was unable to send it to you saying it couldn't find you?"
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 02:27:32 AM »

Oh I'm fine with sex workers not being allowed to continue their work if they have an incurable STD.  And the overall purpose of the bill is going in the right direction.  I guess I'd just do it a bit differently.  $10,000 is a whole hell of a lot of money for the average individual.  So, I'd rather that were a worker to miss a visit, they'd simply not be able to legally perform sex work until they made that visit up.  Fines could come in if they were caught attempting to do so without making the proper visits, with increasingly severe penalties in the cases of 1.3 or (especially) 1.4.

In regards to the original legislation I'd love to work on that.  And you not being able to reach me explains a lot, as I figured I'd get some sort of response.  Not sure exactly what the issue is though, as I've gotten PMs within the last few days with no problems.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 11:21:44 PM »

Yeah for some reason it tries to consider your name separately since you have quotations already in the name. Yeah apologies all around for that. Maybe send a chat link and we can talk in there (tomorrow though, i am going to bed . . . long day at work.)
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2015, 05:37:24 PM »

How is this bill progressing guys?
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2015, 10:07:26 PM »

He will be sending me some of his ideas pretty soon.
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2015, 01:30:20 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2015, 06:55:35 AM »

I understand the concerns made by Former Representative Joe Mad, but disagree. If anyone feels any need to propose an amendment to lessen the fines or sentencing I'd certainly be willing to consider, but in its current form I think the bill is sound.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2015, 08:55:45 PM »

I'm not a fan of ambiguity. On that note, I have a few issues:

1.2: Nothing ever defines a "check-up". As far as this bill is concerned, a sex worker could declare themselves clean and there'd be no problem with it.

1.3/1.4: What defines an STD? What defines an "incurable" STD?
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2015, 10:11:36 PM »

I'm not a fan of ambiguity. On that note, I have a few issues:

1.2: Nothing ever defines a "check-up". As far as this bill is concerned, a sex worker could declare themselves clean and there'd be no problem with it.

1.3/1.4: What defines an STD? What defines an "incurable" STD?

And if the bill does define herpes as incurable, maybe we should make it so workers who have said STD can still have work/sex with other people with the same disease only.  (there are a lot of people out there who have herpes, so maybe they could have their own "pool", so to speak?)
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2015, 09:54:55 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2015, 05:23:19 PM »

Hasn't minimum sentencing been banned?
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2015, 11:54:50 PM »

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What if people don't comply with sections 1.3 and 1.4 simply because they aren't part of the business anymore?  Will they still be fined/jailed? 
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2015, 03:51:28 AM »

I wouldn't think so, since they wouldn't be "performing sex work"
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2015, 03:24:40 PM »

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What if people don't comply with sections 1.3 and 1.4 simply because they aren't part of the business anymore?  Will they still be fined/jailed? 
I wouldn't think so, since they wouldn't be "performing sex work"

Right, sorry.  Tongue  I just forgot the first part.  lol
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2015, 12:32:20 AM »

I'll propose this amendment, to try and help ameliorate some of the concerns that have been brought up. Dereich, I would think we would simply define an "incurable STD" as an STD for which there is currently no known cure, would we not? Perhaps establishing a source for the curability like the CDC is what you're looking for? In that case, I could add that into my amendment.
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2015, 02:24:45 PM »

I'm in favor of this amendment. I think there's more we could do, especially in the area of separation of infected and non-infected, but that would be more appropriate for a separate bill.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2015, 03:57:03 PM »

Indeed, I think we should bring this to a vote, if that's okay with you guys. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2015, 05:20:37 PM »

I'm ready to vote.
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2015, 03:26:55 PM »

I apologize, but how do we force a vote again?  (brb looking at the wiki page)
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2015, 10:30:43 PM »

There being no further debate, I open a final vote on this bill. Represenatives have 72 hours to vote Aye, Nay or to Abstain.

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