How would you have voted: Canada

[bullmoose88]

Probably woulda been a Red Tory...

Maybe voting with the Blues here and there.

[Siege40]

I would have voted for the United States annex the place.

You're a bad, bad man.

Siege

[English]

I'd probably vote Progressive Conservative or Liberal.  I would certainly not vote for the SoCreds.

If I were in the Conservatives or the PCs I'd probably be with the Blue Tories on classically liberal economics and Red Tories on social policies, at least I understand these terms.  I'd rather be a Liberal because I despise conservatism outside America, because it usually means something very illiberal and unlibertarian.  But the Liberals were socialist-leaning, so I don't know.

I'd probably just whine a lot.

Hmm, don't understand. I'd say conservatism is perhaps more libertarian outside of the US. The UK Tories for example are socially moderate compared to the Reps. The Canadian Conservatives are also pretty liberal on social matters compared to GOP.

[Justin]

I'd probably vote Progressive Conservative or Liberal.  I would certainly not vote for the SoCreds.

What's wrong with the Socreds? From what I have heard the Socreds were were very social and economically conservative. They were what the Tories used to be before the mereger with the Progressives. When the Socreds came to power in BC the economy boomed under the Socreds under Premier WAC Bennet.
Plus, when the Socreds were destroyed in the 1980's, a large faction of the former party came together with Western PC's to form the Reform Party. Which in turn became Canadian Alliance. Stephen Harper, leader of CPC, was at one point a Socred.

[Sibboleth]

The BC SoCreds were crooks.

[struct310]

Considering that the conservative party would likely ally with Bush on many issues, I would vote conservative if I were a Canadian citizen.

[Siege40]

Considering that the conservative party would likely ally with Bush on many issues, I would vote conservative if I were a Canadian citizen.

One of the main reasons why I will NEVER vote Conservative.

Siege

[bullmoose88]

Considering that the conservative party would likely ally with Bush on many issues, I would vote conservative if I were a Canadian citizen.

One of the main reasons why I will NEVER vote Conservative.

Siege

Well, you are an NDP supporter...so odds were you weren't gonna vote tory in the first case >P

[Siege40]

Considering that the conservative party would likely ally with Bush on many issues, I would vote conservative if I were a Canadian citizen.

One of the main reasons why I will NEVER vote Conservative.

Siege

Well, you are an NDP supporter...so odds were you weren't gonna vote tory in the first case >P

Good point Bullmoose, but there's reasons that I'm a NDP supporter, I wasn't just born one, I made choices and the Conservative brown-nosing to the American government turns a lot of Canadians off.

I just had I thought... I'm going to mention it in one of the 2004 election threads... you may want to check it out.

Siege

[© Tweed the Younger]

I'll do the elections I know about

1993: Chretien (LPC)
1997: Chretien (LPC)
2000: Chretien (LPC)
2004: Martin (LPC)

Interesting, heh?

[Storebought]

I would have voted with my feet, straight to Montana

[cwelsch]

I'd probably vote Progressive Conservative or Liberal.  I would certainly not vote for the SoCreds.

If I were in the Conservatives or the PCs I'd probably be with the Blue Tories on classically liberal economics and Red Tories on social policies, at least I understand these terms.  I'd rather be a Liberal because I despise conservatism outside America, because it usually means something very illiberal and unlibertarian.  But the Liberals were socialist-leaning, so I don't know.

I'd probably just whine a lot.

Hmm, don't understand. I'd say conservatism is perhaps more libertarian outside of the US. The UK Tories for example are socially moderate compared to the Reps. The Canadian Conservatives are also pretty liberal on social matters compared to GOP.

That's a European or a shallow understanding of libertarian.  It's not about just religion or social issues, it's economics, the bill of rights, trial by jury, limited government, cutting taxes, opposing regulations.  It's belief in wealth creation instead of distribution, a rejection of forced altruism (hah) or noblesse oblige, and a reliance on the fundamental goodness of people rather than the will of the state.  Socially right-wing or religious US conservatives are sometimes much more libertarian on non-social issues than social 'moderates.'  That's the problem I face.

The Red Tories are just Rockefellers, similar to rich people with no grasp of economics or real freedoms - think country club people who simply don't give a damn about gay people.  They are economically more than willing to expand government power, and I find them rather unprincipled.  We've got it again in the US with the neocons, and while I like that their foreign policy is market democracy-focused (in theory, at least) their domestic policy is basically moderate on both points because they don't care or don't understand markets and other freedoms.  The Rockefellers also compromised on domestic policy to focus more on being anti-communist abroad.


That's all I want, people with an affirmative belief in freedom and human goodness - not people who are simply apathetic on social and economic issues.  'Moderate' and 'left' on social issues are neither the same as libertarian.  Moderates want what's most politically popular, the left usually wants to expand an accepting, tolerant government into the issue instead of a bigoted or unaccepting government.  Libertarian means do what you want, do it privately, don't expect the public to support it, we'll stop them from hurting you for it.

Pardon me if I sound a little grumpy.  I tend to get cranky about picking parties because it's a) difficult to find somebody who thinks this way on more than a handful of issues, and b) hard to explain it to people, especially non-Americans to whom the concept is quite foreign.



I wouldn't vote for the SoCreds because the name social credit comes from an economic theory that basically says the free market doesn't work, and therefore permanent government intervention is needed to correct it.  In other words, the private interactions of people will ultimately fail and the community needs to intervene for our own good.

The fact that it's conservative only turns me away more.  Social Credit isn't a whole lot better than socialist theory.  At least the SoCreds didn't try to connect to a massive worldwide revolution, or completely rewrite society, just revamp the entire concept of free markets.  Even if it weren't wrong, it would've been horrible for the economy.


I probably would have emigrated, along with most.  I'm a poor fit for most any party in the world, through history - even American parties would have to stretch a little to hold me.