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« on: February 10, 2015, 07:24:58 AM »

I would say every day for at least the past month in the mainstream conservative media, there has been this 'controversy' about Obama not saying that the terrorists are Islamic extremists. Apparently the right takes it very seriously. They're not wrong, they are Islamic extremists, but why is the conservative media covering this like its the new Benghazi? I myself don't make a big deal over what Obama says about it and I don't think labeling it a certain way makes terrorism and violence any better or worse.

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 08:10:55 AM »

Racism.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 10:27:08 AM »


This.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 10:56:46 AM »

I think there is some legitimate issue here, but not vis-a-vis Obama.  The President is a diplomatic presence for the United States so he needs to be diplomatic. 

So, he takes great pains to distinguish Islamic terrorism from muslims and Islamic countries.  This makes sense both because it respects muslim people and it takes a propaganda victory away from terrorists.  They want to turn their fight into a polarizing battle between the West and Islam.  So, it makes sense to try to subvert that and win over moderates.  And, ultimately, it's not a huge deal, what matters is action and Obama has been more focused on killing terrorists than George W. Bush.

But, the greater societal issue is the framing of Islamic terrorism.  There are some leftists who think Al Qaeda is primarily motivated by Israel occupying the West Bank and "US Imperialism."  This is the narrative where the rest of the world purely reacts to America's misdeeds, they have no agency or ideology of their own.  So, it makes sense to label Al Qaeda or ISIS or Boko Haram as "Islamic terrorism" because that's more accurate than the Noam Chomsky-leftist narrative.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 11:03:34 AM »

Because "Islamic" is a buzz word that keeps people tuned in. 
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 11:25:14 AM »


Islam is not a race, so no, not racist. Just very stupid and short-sited.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 11:50:43 AM »


Short-sighted, you mean.

Sorry. Couldn't help giving BRTD some of his own medicine.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2015, 11:55:38 AM »

Since this



Islamic = 3000 dead here
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2015, 12:15:41 PM »


Islam is not a race, so no, not racist. Just very stupid and short-sited.
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Doesn't change the fact that it is a form of bigotry against followers of Islam.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2015, 12:17:31 PM »

I wish they would be truly accurate and call it for what it is, religious terrorism, but we won't do that.  Don't want to remind people that dangerous fairytales lead to very bad things. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2015, 01:23:21 PM »

There's nothing else to complain about.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2015, 01:34:46 PM »

Because Obama is a Muslim, you see.

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The Crusades, the Inquisition, American slavery, and Jim Crow never happened, obviously.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2015, 03:08:59 PM »
« Edited: February 10, 2015, 03:28:21 PM by IDS Speaker Maxwell »

Because it is accurate to those situations. The terrorism is done in the name of islam. Thus, Islamic Terrorism.

I mean, I'm sure some of them feel the need to attach "islam" because AHA!, but I think mindless defending of people's feelings is silly if it forgoes accurate labeling.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2015, 04:09:27 PM »


The Crusades, the Inquisition, American slavery, and Jim Crow never happened, obviously.

or, more recently, the dude in wisconsin who shot up a sikh temple because he thought it was a mosque
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 04:21:45 PM »

The answer is FOX News IMHO.
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2015, 05:49:00 PM »

Islam might be the only [major] religion to be considered as still violently crusading or at least excessively oppressive, I'd guess. And because it's largely accurate to call it such.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2015, 05:58:24 PM »

FTR, I'm not saying most terrorism isn't inspired by radicalized Islamic teaching.  It is... I'm just commenting on why conservative media makes damn sure to remind us of that at every turn.

80% because it's a buzz word.
20% because they want so bad for Christian=good/Muslim=evil.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 06:34:05 PM »
« Edited: February 10, 2015, 06:35:47 PM by ElectionsGuy »

Islam might be the only [major] religion to be considered as still violently crusading or at least excessively oppressive, I'd guess. And because it's largely accurate to call it such.

Oh, I don't think anybody's disputing the fact that ISIS and co. are Islamic extremists, and for a matter of fact, that Islam has the biggest terrorist threat of any religion. But why people care so much over labeling them as Islamic is what I want to know.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2015, 07:34:41 PM »

Islam might be the only [major] religion to be considered as still violently crusading or at least excessively oppressive, I'd guess. And because it's largely accurate to call it such.

Oh, I don't think anybody's disputing the fact that ISIS and co. are Islamic extremists, and for a matter of fact, that Islam has the biggest terrorist threat of any religion. But why people care so much over labeling them as Islamic is what I want to know.

I think that by declining to explicitly call them Islamic (rather than Islamist), you would be implying that the bolded part is not necessarily true.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2015, 10:04:56 PM »

Killing two birds with one stone: appealing to generic anti-Muslim bigotry, and also throwing a bone to the ol reliable "Obama is a secret Muslim" crowd.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2015, 10:10:33 PM »

Because Obama is a Muslim, you see.

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The Crusades, the Inquisition, American slavery, and Jim Crow never happened, obviously.

He meant in the past few months, which is still almost certainly not zero, but crusades are clearly not in that time range.

In any case this was a well designed exchange for the political followers of both: Boling riled up the Christians who want to get in a blame game with Islam about what religion's atrocities were the most underhanded, and get everyone to congratulate themselves saying "yeah yeah all the other world religions are peaceful except that evil Islam, which must be exterminated". Obama on the other hand did his very best to take the opportunity to blame Christianity for the skeletons in its own closet, such as the Inquisition and to a lesser extent the Crusades (which for some selective reason everyone only seems to care about violence against Muslims and nobody seems to care at all about the sacking of Christian Constantinople by Christians for loot but I digress). In doing so Obama managed to rile up all the anti-Christians backing him saying "yeah yeah take that you Christians on your high horses, look at the sticks in your own eyes before you come and lecture Islam about peace".

Thus the encounter served its political purpose: to further solidify both politics sides so their respective parties can assume support without having to worry about people jumping ship in case good governance ever became a legitimate concern. And to do so with a meaningless argument about who can be the most deeply offended.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2015, 10:26:47 PM »


The Crusades, the Inquisition, American slavery, and Jim Crow never happened, obviously.

or, more recently, the dude in wisconsin who shot up a sikh temple because he thought it was a mosque

There is no proof of that.

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However seeing as how he was a Neo-Nazi, it's more likely he choose an easy target he knew would be full of non-whites rather than Muslims.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2015, 04:57:30 AM »

Because Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph were real Americans.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2015, 12:38:53 PM »

People call Islamic extremism ... Islamic extremism.  That's not racist, and it certainly doesn't imply that there aren't countless acts of terrorism carried out in the name of other faiths or, in the case of the recent North Carolina tragedy, lack of faith.
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2015, 12:04:41 AM »

Because Obama is a Muslim, you see.

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The Crusades, the Inquisition, American slavery, and Jim Crow never happened, obviously.

You are aware that the movements that led to the end of American slavery and Jim Crow were led by Christian pastors of all races and political views. The First Crusade was actually a defensive war against Saracen aggression against Christian kingdoms. 
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