Could Webb make any "red" states competitive?
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« on: February 10, 2015, 11:07:46 AM »

Hillary makes some red states (AR, KY, LA and probably MO) closer than usual, though she more than likely won't win any in most circumstances. Basically, I'm asking if this is due to her ties to Bill or due to her moderate image, and if the latter would someone like Webb get the same kind of "bounce" in these states?
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 11:22:37 AM »

He could theoretically have enough crossover appeal to better compete in some purple states like NC and FL, but politics are so polarized now that5 it's limited.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 11:23:58 AM »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 11:38:35 AM »

Webb will certainly make OH@Va corridor more purplish than red and CO, too. Clinton can very well win one of those states, but the trifecta would be achievable more with Webb.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 11:39:14 AM »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.

Why do you think that?
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 02:31:32 PM »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.

Only on the Atlas Forum are Democrats unenthusiastic for the supposedly hated Hillary Clinton and won't turn out for her, yet the 70 year old uncharismatic white guy with conservative positions on many issues named Jim Webb would generate tons of enthusiasm from the the base, win massive amounts of Romney voters, and sail to victory in an unprecedented landslide.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 02:35:42 PM »
« Edited: February 10, 2015, 02:41:02 PM by Mr. Illini »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.

Only on the Atlas Forum are Democrats unenthusiastic for the supposedly hated Hillary Clinton and won't turn out for her, yet the 70 year old uncharismatic white guy with conservative positions on many issues named Jim Webb would generate tons of enthusiasm from the the base, win massive amounts of Romney voters, and sail to victory in an unprecedented landslide.

It's pretty clear that he was saying that a Webb nomination would turn some (not Atlas) blue states red...
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2015, 02:40:31 PM »

I don't think that he would do any better than Hillary in many of the (non-atlas) red states.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2015, 02:42:38 PM »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.

Only on the Atlas Forum are Democrats unenthusiastic for the supposedly hated Hillary Clinton and won't turn out for her, yet the 70 year old uncharismatic white guy with conservative positions on many issues named Jim Webb would generate tons of enthusiasm from the the base, win massive amounts of Romney voters, and sail to victory in an unprecedented landslide.

It's pretty clear that he was saying that a Webb nomination would turn some (not Atlas) blue states red...

I'm aware of that. I quoted it to signify agreement.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2015, 02:44:06 PM »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.

Only on the Atlas Forum are Democrats unenthusiastic for the supposedly hated Hillary Clinton and won't turn out for her, yet the 70 year old uncharismatic white guy with conservative positions on many issues named Jim Webb would generate tons of enthusiasm from the the base, win massive amounts of Romney voters, and sail to victory in an unprecedented landslide.

It's pretty clear that he was saying that a Webb nomination would turn some (not Atlas) blue states red...

I'm aware of that. I quoted it to signify agreement.

Sorry, came off as a response to me.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2015, 10:31:02 PM »

Yes. He could swing MO, AR, TN, WV, KY, LA to the Democrats. He would be a good choice. Hillary could make those states competitive too, if she runs a better campaign than 2008.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2015, 10:46:25 PM »

Yes. He could swing MO, AR, TN, WV, KY, LA to the Democrats. He would be a good choice. Hillary could make those states competitive too, if she runs a better campaign than 2008.

No Democrat has a snowball's chance in hell of winning any of those states besides MO. Unless it's some extremely convoluted scenario where the GOP ticket is Trump/Palin and there's a nationwide Democratic tsunami.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2015, 11:14:43 PM »

Whatever the answer is, it says more about the kind of bizarre circumstances under which Jim Webb wins the Democratic nomination than it does about Jim Webb.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2015, 12:15:19 AM »

PPP will be polling South Carolina, the first undeniably Red state since the 2014 election. We shall soon get some idea of the political 'flavor' of the Core South.

Of course, the last Democratic Presidential nominee to win South Carolina was Jimmy Carter. Such might as well be ancient history today.

https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iacobus_Earl_Carter

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2015, 12:18:25 AM »

PPP will be polling South Carolina, the first undeniably Red state since the 2014 election. We shall soon get some idea of the political 'flavor' of the Core South.

Of course, the last Democratic Presidential nominee to win South Carolina was Jimmy Carter. Such might as well be ancient history today.

https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iacobus_Earl_Carter

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The stretch of states from SC to TX are by the most boring in the country. Endless racial polarization for decades, yawn.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2015, 01:00:24 AM »

Yes, but he'd still lose them.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2015, 02:47:48 AM »

Of course he could. (Under the right circumstances, anyone can expand the map) Whether or not he would is a more difficult question.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2015, 09:19:42 AM »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2015, 09:23:30 AM »

Of course he could. (Under the right circumstances, anyone can expand the map) Whether or not he would is a more difficult question.

In this polarized electorate, the map is the most inelastic it's been for over a century.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2015, 10:36:49 AM »

Making threads speculating about Jim Webb should be worth 5 death points
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2015, 01:21:15 PM »

Maybe. I can see him being more conservative causing him to loose Hawaii.

Unless you mean Atlas Blue states...
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2015, 02:26:14 PM »

Making threads speculating about Jim Webb should be worth 5 death points

My post is more about whether perceived moderate Democrats can make inroads into these states, or whether it's just Hillary as an individual that's making them closer.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2015, 07:23:16 PM »

I can see him possibly throwing Missouri into tossup category and maybe making inroads into winning North Carolina. He could also help move Virginia into the solid Democratic category. I can see Webb winning a lot of rust-belt Ohio voters too.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2015, 07:24:58 PM »

Of course not.
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2015, 09:14:40 PM »

No, but he could definitely make some "blue" states competitive.

Why do you think that?

Because Webb would be a disaster as a presidential candidate and any half-way competent Republican would give him a good, hard spanking.
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