DEEPLY DISTURBING (TM): A. STMARKEN EDITION

[Prince of Salem]

Nothing new to say...

I feel it would be inappropriate to post anymore in the Vice Presidential debate, but I think the number of posts, or lack thereof, from Senator Bacon King speak for itself.

While Senator Bore is actively impeaching my running mate for inactivity, his own Vice Presidential candidate has all but abandoned the role he was elected by the voters to do. Showing up only for votes, adding little to the debate, and throughout the campaign for a new office (!!!) has been COMPLETELY absent, Senator Bacon King is letting voters know his work ethic in office, whether he gets the big promotion to his fourth time as Vice President or not.

I wish Potus had done more piecemeal things to keep up the looks activity, but I'm glad he took a different, more constructive route of making big foreign policy decisions with the role. I have yet to see the same initiative with Senator BK, and I hope if bore is consistent in his views on inactivity, he drop BK from the ticket and pick someone who will add to the game instead of rest on their laurels and hope their likability saves them.

If you make this a referendum on the hypocrisy of Nyman politicians, then you have no other choice in this election. Potus/Maxwell, over and out.

*drops mic*

[Oakvale]

I just logged on to respond to a few PMs but I really must point out that what's DEEPLY DISTURBING is that the Federalist ticket has an unstable convicted felon campaigning for them.

[windjammer]

I feel it would be inappropriate to post anymore in the Vice Presidential debate, but I think the number of posts, or lack thereof, from Senator Bacon King speak for itself.

While Senator Bore is actively impeaching my running mate for inactivity, his own Vice Presidential candidate has all but abandoned the role he was elected by the voters to do. Showing up only for votes, adding little to the debate, and throughout the campaign for a new office (!!!) has been COMPLETELY absent, Senator Bacon King is letting voters know his work ethic in office, whether he gets the big promotion to his fourth time as Vice President or not.

I wish Potus had done more piecemeal things to keep up the looks activity, but I'm glad he took a different, more constructive route of making big foreign policy decisions with the role. I have yet to see the same initiative with Senator BK, and I hope if bore is consistent in his views on inactivity, he drop BK from the ticket and pick someone who will add to the game instead of rest on their laurels and hope their likability saves them.

If you make this a referendum on the hypocrisy of Nyman politicians, then you have no other choice in this election. Potus/Maxwell, over and out.

*drops mic*

I don't think anyone is happy about potus not being visibly active (let alone, no doubt, himself). If he was having trouble doing things without the GM he should have publicly posted that to inform all citizens. From the perspective of normal atlasia citizens he did disappear for 5 weeks, which is something that we should not tolerate.

However, and this is to me the important point, we have  very good reason to believe that he was trying (by, for instance, PMs) to be active but circumstances, mainly the GM's resignation and the focus on the budget stopped him. There is no doubt that he should have posted a small news story, or involved himself in the foreign affairs section of the budget, or at least informed the public of his difficulties. But the fact that Potus was, unlike so many recent cabinet members, trying, however unsuccessfully, to be involved means I won't be voting for his impeachment.

[Maxwell]

I didn't see that post until after I made my rant, so I'm glad he said that.

[bore]

It is indeed Deeply Disturbing that a potential Vice President of Atlasia does not even do his opponents the basic courtesy of representing their positions.

[Maxwell]

It is indeed Deeply Disturbing that a potential Vice President of Atlasia does not even do his opponents the basic courtesy of representing their positions.

The point still stands that you have someone on your ticket who is looking for a promotion while not doing the job they already have.

[windjammer]

Oh and in case you have the idea of accusing me of "ignoring" Bacon King:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=203743.0

Maxwell, why are you defending Riley while condemning Bacon King?

[Maxwell]

Oh and in case you have the idea of accusing me of "ignoring" Bacon King:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=203743.0

Maxwell, why are you defending Riley while condemning Bacon King?

My post makes that wildly clear. Riley was at least trying to make important decisions. The Senator has not done the same. Riley has at least done the voters the courtesy of showing up on the campaign trail, giving people ideas to think about, and making the Presidential campaign about something.

That is how I defend Riley while condemning Bacon King.

[windjammer]

Oh and in case you have the idea of accusing me of "ignoring" Bacon King:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=203743.0

Maxwell, why are you defending Riley while condemning Bacon King?

My post makes that wildly clear. Riley was at least trying to make important decisions. The Senator has not done the same.

As someone who is trying/tried to impeach both, I have to say that being inactive for a week is still less "bad" than being inactive for a month .

[Prince of Salem]

I just logged on to respond to a few PMs but I really must point out that what's DEEPLY DISTURBING is that the Federalist ticket has an unstable convicted felon campaigning for them.

If you are talking about the ghosts... you really have no sense of humor

[bore]

It is indeed Deeply Disturbing that a potential Vice President of Atlasia does not even do his opponents the basic courtesy of representing their positions.

The point still stands that you have someone on your ticket who is looking for a promotion while not doing the job they already have.

Except without the complete distortion of my position (and I accept your apology) the point does not stand. Your charge in the diatribe quoted (Personally I think a VP candidate who makes a big deal of his own activity should at least read the relevant senate thread before posting) is that I am a hypocrite. And I am clearly not.

And, leaving aside the dubious claim that the VP is a promotion from the senate (which given the lack of power the position has probably isn't true), they are very different roles, which require very different characteristics. We all know from experience that you can be an inactive governor of, say, the mideast and an active president, an inactive attorney general and an active Vice President. Bacon King's tenure as a senator, as I'm sure he would agree, has not been what was hoped for (although he has been not even been close to being the worst senator in my time in the senate) but I remain confident he fulfill the role of VP well.

[Maxwell]

It is indeed Deeply Disturbing that a potential Vice President of Atlasia does not even do his opponents the basic courtesy of representing their positions.

The point still stands that you have someone on your ticket who is looking for a promotion while not doing the job they already have.

Except without the complete distortion of my position (and I accept your apology) the point does not stand. Your charge in the diatribe quoted (Personally I think a VP candidate who makes a big deal of his own activity should at least read the relevant senate thread before posting) is that I am a hypocrite. And I am clearly not.

And, leaving aside the dubious claim that the VP is a promotion from the senate (which given the lack of power the position has probably isn't true), they are very different roles, which require very different characteristics. We all know from experience that you can be an inactive governor of, say, the mideast and an active president, an inactive attorney general and an active Vice President. Bacon King's tenure as a senator, as I'm sure he would agree, has not been what was hoped for (although he has been not even been close to being the worst senator in my time in the senate) but I remain confident he fulfill the role of VP well.

I quite like the sneaky snipes you make at both myself and Potus, and to clear the record, I abruptly apologized for my inactivity as Attorney General and resigned as soon as I knew it was a problem. And another thing in the "clearing the record" column, I am not a part of the Senate, so it's not within my current purview, but it has been a choice of mine to try to keep up with the discussion, and it was foolish of me to overlook such a crucial post before writing a rant.

And I'll admit, people perform differently in different roles, but another decent indicator of future performance is the campaign. And the record isn't good there - besides an introductory statement, I've seen little of Bacon King. In nearly a week of debate, we've seen NOTHING from the Senator. If he's elected Vice President and things turn out differently, great, I'd love it, but this shouldn't be confidence inspiring to anyone, even the most loyal supporters of your campaign.

[bore]

It is indeed Deeply Disturbing that a potential Vice President of Atlasia does not even do his opponents the basic courtesy of representing their positions.

The point still stands that you have someone on your ticket who is looking for a promotion while not doing the job they already have.

Except without the complete distortion of my position (and I accept your apology) the point does not stand. Your charge in the diatribe quoted (Personally I think a VP candidate who makes a big deal of his own activity should at least read the relevant senate thread before posting) is that I am a hypocrite. And I am clearly not.

And, leaving aside the dubious claim that the VP is a promotion from the senate (which given the lack of power the position has probably isn't true), they are very different roles, which require very different characteristics. We all know from experience that you can be an inactive governor of, say, the mideast and an active president, an inactive attorney general and an active Vice President. Bacon King's tenure as a senator, as I'm sure he would agree, has not been what was hoped for (although he has been not even been close to being the worst senator in my time in the senate) but I remain confident he fulfill the role of VP well.

I quite like the sneaky snipes you make at both myself and Potus, and to clear the record, I abruptly apologized for my inactivity as Attorney General and resigned as soon as I knew it was a problem. And another thing in the "clearing the record" column, I am not a part of the Senate, so it's not within my current purview, but it has been a choice of mine to try to keep up with the discussion, and it was foolish of me to overlook such a crucial post before writing a rant.

And I'll admit, people perform differently in different roles, but another decent indicator of future performance is the campaign. And the record isn't good there - besides an introductory statement, I've seen little of Bacon King. In nearly a week of debate, we've seen NOTHING from the Senator. If he's elected Vice President and things turn out differently, great, I'd love it, but this shouldn't be confidence inspiring to anyone, even the most loyal supporters of your campaign.

I didn't think the snipes were especially sneaky

Yes you have the right not to keep up with the senate, of course you do. No one is saying you don't. But if you want to hold forth on what's happening in the senate you should at least have a rudimentary awareness of what it is you are holding forth on. I don't know anything about the politics of Medieval Spain, but if I wanted to write an essay about them you can be sure I'd read books about it. Still, I'm glad you've apologised, and we can put this behind us now

I'm not Bacon King's keeper, but I will note that he made a very useful and detailed contribution early this morning to the senate, so I remain confident he will be an responsible VP.

[Maxwell]

It is indeed Deeply Disturbing that a potential Vice President of Atlasia does not even do his opponents the basic courtesy of representing their positions.

The point still stands that you have someone on your ticket who is looking for a promotion while not doing the job they already have.

Except without the complete distortion of my position (and I accept your apology) the point does not stand. Your charge in the diatribe quoted (Personally I think a VP candidate who makes a big deal of his own activity should at least read the relevant senate thread before posting) is that I am a hypocrite. And I am clearly not.

And, leaving aside the dubious claim that the VP is a promotion from the senate (which given the lack of power the position has probably isn't true), they are very different roles, which require very different characteristics. We all know from experience that you can be an inactive governor of, say, the mideast and an active president, an inactive attorney general and an active Vice President. Bacon King's tenure as a senator, as I'm sure he would agree, has not been what was hoped for (although he has been not even been close to being the worst senator in my time in the senate) but I remain confident he fulfill the role of VP well.

I quite like the sneaky snipes you make at both myself and Potus, and to clear the record, I abruptly apologized for my inactivity as Attorney General and resigned as soon as I knew it was a problem. And another thing in the "clearing the record" column, I am not a part of the Senate, so it's not within my current purview, but it has been a choice of mine to try to keep up with the discussion, and it was foolish of me to overlook such a crucial post before writing a rant.

And I'll admit, people perform differently in different roles, but another decent indicator of future performance is the campaign. And the record isn't good there - besides an introductory statement, I've seen little of Bacon King. In nearly a week of debate, we've seen NOTHING from the Senator. If he's elected Vice President and things turn out differently, great, I'd love it, but this shouldn't be confidence inspiring to anyone, even the most loyal supporters of your campaign.

I didn't think the snipes were especially sneaky

Yes you have the right not to keep up with the senate, of course you do. No one is saying you don't. But if you want to hold forth on what's happening in the senate you should at least have a rudimentary awareness of what it is you are holding forth on. I don't know anything about the politics of Medieval Spain, but if I wanted to write an essay about them you can be sure I'd read books about it. Still, I'm glad you've apologised, and we can put this behind us now

I'm not Bacon King's keeper, but I will note that he made a very useful and detailed contribution early this morning to the senate, so I remain confident he will be an responsible VP.

It's nice he did that I guess, but I feel this gets to the root of the problem we see with the Atlasian Senate and the rest of us. Senators are involved in their own world, and we are not the better for it. One thing I like about Senator Cris' tenure is his consistent updating of what is happening in Nyman. It's refreshing, and I wish more Senators made that effort.

The point being, I wish Senator Bacon King would join me in the discussion of the issues. It makes the game more interesting than me making diatribes against you and the Senators campaign.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

one would think that having an active president is substantially more important than having an active vice president…

[Lief 🗽]

Bacon King deserves criticism for his inactivity, but at least he didn't completely abandon his post for an entire month.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

To be honest, a lot of Atlasia Vice Presidents were quite inactive.

[Maxwell]

To be honest, a lot of Atlasia Vice Presidents were quite inactive.

Yes. But that is why we need a change from the status quo!

[free my dawg]

Can we not?

[Simfan34]

I'm beginning to think that we'd be better off just calling the February elections off.

Why?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I'm beginning to think that we'd be better off just calling the February elections off.

I absolutely agree. Just give the GM dictatorial powers in absence of an elected government and all will be just fine