Axelrod: Obama lied about opposing gay marriage

[Stranger in a strange land]

2050 Atlas Forum --- Obama will be retroactively called a bigot who did nothing for Civil Rights HP a la LBJ with quotes from 2008 as proof.

I expect the forum to still be around at that point, and I will link this thread

[Mr. Illini]

Something that was clear the whole time and nice to hear Axelrod confirm it. I'm with TNF here - he's a coward for not coming out for it in 2008, even though I still like the guy. He would have won anyway and could have changed the conversation on it earlier.

[Libertarian Socialist Dem]

http://time.com/3702584/gay-marriage-axelrod-obama/

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Nothing most of us didn't already know, but still pretty interesting.

Indeed, I also doubt that he would have lost many black votes for coming out in favor of it.

[Thomas D]

I laid in bed last night, awake, thinking of this.

Thinking of how Governor Walker was taken to task for saying he wasn't sure if the President was a Christian.

So the story as we assume we know it now is this: In 2004 Obama decided it would be politically advantageous to say he opposed gay marriage when in his heart, he supported it.

So is it really that far fetched to think that at some point in his early Chicago days, he decided that he couldn't get elected to anything as an out of the closet Atheist/Agnostic, so he pretended to be a follower of the Christian faith?

[BlueSwan]

I laid in bed last night, awake, thinking of this.

Thinking of how Governor Walker was taken to task for saying he wasn't sure if the President was a Christian.

So the story as we assume we know it now is this: In 2004 Obama decided it would be politically advantageous to say he opposed gay marriage when in his heart, he supported it.

So is it really that far fetched to think that at some point in his early Chicago days, he decided that he couldn't get elected to anything as an out of the closet Atheist/Agnostic, so he pretended to be a follower of the Christian faith?

Not particularly far fetched if you ask me. And if he did pretend to be more religious than he really is, he would neither be the first, nor the last, president to do so.

[Brittain33]

I laid in bed last night, awake, thinking of this.

Thinking of how Governor Walker was taken to task for saying he wasn't sure if the President was a Christian.

So the story as we assume we know it now is this: In 2004 Obama decided it would be politically advantageous to say he opposed gay marriage when in his heart, he supported it.

So is it really that far fetched to think that at some point in his early Chicago days, he decided that he couldn't get elected to anything as an out of the closet Atheist/Agnostic, so he pretended to be a follower of the Christian faith?

The problem I think is that most respondents who think he isn't a Christian, believe he is a Muslim.

[© tweed]

I laid in bed last night, awake, thinking of this.

Thinking of how Governor Walker was taken to task for saying he wasn't sure if the President was a Christian.

So the story as we assume we know it now is this: In 2004 Obama decided it would be politically advantageous to say he opposed gay marriage when in his heart, he supported it.

So is it really that far fetched to think that at some point in his early Chicago days, he decided that he couldn't get elected to anything as an out of the closet Atheist/Agnostic, so he pretended to be a follower of the Christian faith?

Thomas Jefferson and William Taft literally said they did not believe Jesus was anything more than a  human being.

I doubt they were the only ones.

as for Jefferson, Enlightenment fueled deism was popular in the secular (non-clergy) literate English world at the time.  nearly all of the "Founding Fathers" fit that demographic.

American religion moved to the right with the Second Great Awakening (1820s through 50s), became embedded in larger cultural issues in the teens and 20s (think Scopes trial), and only became explicitly politically active sometime in the 1970s (though before that it was heavily embedded within the segregationist Citizens' Councils, John Birch style anticommunism, etc).

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I laid in bed last night, awake, thinking of this.

Thinking of how Governor Walker was taken to task for saying he wasn't sure if the President was a Christian.

So the story as we assume we know it now is this: In 2004 Obama decided it would be politically advantageous to say he opposed gay marriage when in his heart, he supported it.

So is it really that far fetched to think that at some point in his early Chicago days, he decided that he couldn't get elected to anything as an out of the closet Atheist/Agnostic, so he pretended to be a follower of the Christian faith?

Thomas Jefferson and William Taft literally said they did not believe Jesus was anything more than a  human being.

I doubt they were the only ones.

as for Jefferson, Enlightenment fueled deism was popular in the secular (non-clergy) literate English world at the time.  nearly all of the "Founding Fathers" fit that demographic.

American religion moved to the right with the Second Great Awakening (1820s through 50s), became embedded in larger cultural issues in the teens and 20s (think Scopes trial), and only became explicitly politically active sometime in the 1970s (though before that it was heavily embedded within the segregationist Citizens' Councils, John Birch style anticommunism, etc).

Religion has been active in American politics from the beginning. What is most distinct about the Religious Right arising out of the 1970s is that it defined itself more clearly as a religious coalition  of conservatives in different denominations opposed to secularism, whereas earlier religious political movements tended to either be more sectarian, or more compatible with secularly oriented politics (and occasionally both).