Update XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules."

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

     I wonder if Bushie also thinks the Pentateuch had a single author.

He doesn't think that. He knows. It's fact that Moses wrote all five books except for the part where he dies.

     Except for the three different writing styles and characterizations that pervade most of it, though maybe Moses was just schizophrenic. Also, I've heard it said that Moses did write the part where he died as well.

Except the rest of the Bible conforms that Moses wrote those books.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

     I wonder if Bushie also thinks the Pentateuch had a single author.

He doesn't think that. He knows. It's fact that Moses wrote all five books except for the part where he dies.

     Except for the three different writing styles and characterizations that pervade most of it, though maybe Moses was just schizophrenic. Also, I've heard it said that Moses did write the part where he died as well.

Except the rest of the Bible conforms that Moses wrote those books.

Isn't it a pretty much accepted that a woman wrote Genesis 2?

[Joe Biden 2020]

I do believe Moses wrote all of the Pentateuch except for Deuteronomy 34.  I believe Joshua wrote that chapter as that's the chapter Moses dies.  It would make sense since the next book is Joshua and it was written by Joshua.

[Ebowed]

I do believe Moses wrote all of the Pentateuch except for Deuteronomy 34.  I believe Joshua wrote that chapter as that's the chapter Moses dies.  It would make sense since the next book is Joshua and it was written by Joshua.

Interestingly, in Joshua's private memoirs, he says that it was Moses' physician who provided the finishing touches to Deuteronomy.

[7,052,770]

Bushie, are these Wikipedia pages interesting to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_authorship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

They are intellectually fascinating to me, and I don't really even care about the Bible that much. I can't imagine someone as interested in the Bible as you are wouldn't be even more interested in this subject.

And yet ... I suspect this subject is going to get you all bent out of shape and defensive. You'll insist that you believe that Moses wrote the books and that you will never, ever consider anything otherwise.

Why is that? Nothing in any of these articles implies the untruth of the Bible, so that's out, and you yourself agree that one's salvation is not in danger simply by using literary analysis to challenge the traditional (ie, Man-defined) authorship of certain books. Do you just have loyalty to the pastor who originally told you that it's a 100% fact that Moses wrote the first 5 books and you don't want to consider that he might be wrong?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

     I wonder if Bushie also thinks the Pentateuch had a single author.

He doesn't think that. He knows. It's fact that Moses wrote all five books except for the part where he dies.

     Except for the three different writing styles and characterizations that pervade most of it, though maybe Moses was just schizophrenic. Also, I've heard it said that Moses did write the part where he died as well.

Except the rest of the Bible conforms that Moses wrote those books.

Isn't it a pretty much accepted that a woman wrote Genesis 2?

Richard Elliott Friedman says that it's possible that either the J source or the E source was a noblewoman rather than a priest, but I forget which and I'm not sure where my copy of Who Wrote the Bible? is to look it up. It's whichever one isn't the one he associates with the Shiloh priesthood.

[Mr. Morden]

What was for dinner tonight?

^^^^
It's been a few days since we had any dinner updates, so I assume the "diet" is RIP.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I did this subject for a research paper (partially) in my Old Testament class everyone, Moses wrote all of those books.

[Joe Republic]

I did this subject for a research paper (partially) in my Old Testament class everyone, Moses wrote all of those books.

Well I guess that settles it!  Harry and Nathan can take their 'hard and fast' facts and shove 'em.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I did this subject for a research paper (partially) in my Old Testament class everyone, Moses wrote all of those books.

Well I guess that settles it!  Harry and Nathan can take their 'hard and fast' facts and shove 'em.

I used hard and fast facts too. But what they were talking about was Revelation, not the first five.

Oddly, my paper was about the "two creation stories". I say that in quotes because Genesis 2 was probably never meant to be a creation story in the first place.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I'd be interested to know where in the world The Obamanation studied the Old Testament. I go to a theologically moderate seminary and none of my professors would dream of claiming that Moses literally wrote any but possibly a very few short passages of the Pentateuch.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I do believe Moses wrote all of the Pentateuch except for Deuteronomy 34.  I believe Joshua wrote that chapter as that's the chapter Moses dies.  It would make sense since the next book is Joshua and it was written by Joshua.

Interestingly, in Joshua's private memoirs, he says that it was Moses' physician who provided the finishing touches to Deuteronomy.

I'll concede the final chapter of Deuteronomy could be either one.  I've always though it to be Joshua since he wrote the entire next book.  I've never heard of Moses' physician.  He is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture.  I'm not saying he didn't exist, but I don't know if he's an important enough figure to have written that last chapter.  It certainly is possible, though.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Bushie, are these Wikipedia pages interesting to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_authorship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

They are intellectually fascinating to me, and I don't really even care about the Bible that much. I can't imagine someone as interested in the Bible as you are wouldn't be even more interested in this subject.

And yet ... I suspect this subject is going to get you all bent out of shape and defensive. You'll insist that you believe that Moses wrote the books and that you will never, ever consider anything otherwise.

Why is that? Nothing in any of these articles implies the untruth of the Bible, so that's out, and you yourself agree that one's salvation is not in danger simply by using literary analysis to challenge the traditional (ie, Man-defined) authorship of certain books. Do you just have loyalty to the pastor who originally told you that it's a 100% fact that Moses wrote the first 5 books and you don't want to consider that he might be wrong?

I've always believed Moses wrote all five books of the Pentateuch.  I don't really see how it could be anybody else, except for the aforementioned Deuteronomy 34.  The writing styles are very similar in all five books.  I've always grown up with the that belief.  I guess it is possible, just like John, but I don't see how it could be anybody else in either scenario.  Mind you, I come from a very conservative theological background.  Perhaps the difference in opinion comes in with the conservative vs. liberal viewpoints.  I'm not saying I'm 100% correct, but you shouldn't be saying you're 100% correct, either.  If you expect me to at least ponder your viewpoint, you have to at least ponder my viewpoint.

[Joe Biden 2020]

What was for dinner tonight?

^^^^
It's been a few days since we had any dinner updates, so I assume the "diet" is RIP.

The diet is not RIP, although it is on a break for the next 72 hours.  I will resume it when I get back to Tulsa Monday evening.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I do believe Moses wrote all of the Pentateuch except for Deuteronomy 34.  I believe Joshua wrote that chapter as that's the chapter Moses dies.  It would make sense since the next book is Joshua and it was written by Joshua.

Interestingly, in Joshua's private memoirs, he says that it was Moses' physician who provided the finishing touches to Deuteronomy.

I'll concede the final chapter of Deuteronomy could be either one.  I've always though it to be Joshua since he wrote the entire next book.  I've never heard of Moses' physician.  He is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture.  I'm not saying he didn't exist, but I don't know if he's an important enough figure to have written that last chapter.  It certainly is possible, though.

Who writes a book is not based on who is a subjectively important figure within the book's narrative, Bushie. Also, Ebowed was joking.

Bushie, are these Wikipedia pages interesting to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_authorship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

They are intellectually fascinating to me, and I don't really even care about the Bible that much. I can't imagine someone as interested in the Bible as you are wouldn't be even more interested in this subject.

And yet ... I suspect this subject is going to get you all bent out of shape and defensive. You'll insist that you believe that Moses wrote the books and that you will never, ever consider anything otherwise.

Why is that? Nothing in any of these articles implies the untruth of the Bible, so that's out, and you yourself agree that one's salvation is not in danger simply by using literary analysis to challenge the traditional (ie, Man-defined) authorship of certain books. Do you just have loyalty to the pastor who originally told you that it's a 100% fact that Moses wrote the first 5 books and you don't want to consider that he might be wrong?

I've always believed Moses wrote all five books of the Pentateuch.  I don't really see how it could be anybody else, except for the aforementioned Deuteronomy 34.  The writing styles are very similar in all five books.  I've always grown up with the that belief.  I guess it is possible, just like John, but I don't see how it could be anybody else in either scenario.  Mind you, I come from a very conservative theological background.  Perhaps the difference in opinion comes in with the conservative vs. liberal viewpoints.  I'm not saying I'm 100% correct, but you shouldn't be saying you're 100% correct, either.  If you expect me to at least ponder your viewpoint, you have to at least ponder my viewpoint.

The writing style within the Pentateuch is not even remotely consistent. There are parts of the Flood narrative that are so distinct in style from other parts that scholars have been able to reconstruct two separate, parallel, complete Flood stories that alternate almost literally verse-by-verse. The same is, more famously, true of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2-3. Some chapters were obviously written by somebody who liked Aaron whereas others were by somebody who hated him. The Korah story seems to be constructed similarly to the Flood story. Deuteronomy appears to be largely by the same person as Joshua, Judges, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, and possibly some or all of Jeremiah, but not the four books before it.

Charles Dickens and Anthony Trollope are closer to each other in writing style than the Pentateuch is to itself.

[Mr. Morden]

What was for dinner tonight?

^^^^
It's been a few days since we had any dinner updates, so I assume the "diet" is RIP.

The diet is not RIP, although it is on a break for the next 72 hours.  I will resume it when I get back to Tulsa Monday evening.

So it's only in effect when you're within the Tulsa city limits?

[King]

Guys, please keep actual Biblical scholar debate to a minimum. It's boring as h-e-double-hockey-sticks.

All Biblical talk should be centered around ODF's beliefs, which are actually entertaining.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Guys, please keep actual Biblical scholar debate to a minimum. It's boring as h-e-double-hockey-sticks.

All Biblical talk should be centered around ODF's beliefs, which are actually entertaining.

Yeah, but, see, the hope is that by throwing real Biblical scholar talk at ODF, we can get him to elaborate on his own beliefs more.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

What was for dinner tonight?

^^^^
It's been a few days since we had any dinner updates, so I assume the "diet" is RIP.

The diet is not RIP, although it is on a break for the next 72 hours.  I will resume it when I get back to Tulsa Monday evening.

So it's only in effect when you're within the Tulsa city limits?

Obviously

[memphis]

What was for dinner tonight?

^^^^
It's been a few days since we had any dinner updates, so I assume the "diet" is RIP.

The diet is not RIP, although it is on a break for the next 72 hours.  I will resume it when I get back to Tulsa Monday evening.

So it's only in effect when you're within the Tulsa city limits?

Convenient considering that Papa is about to cut him off and send him back to the train room.

[Joe Biden 2020]

If I get this help desk job then I will plan on extending the apartment lease for six months.  I have 5 weeks to make my official decision.  I would like to stay in Tulsa and get myself established.

[AndrewTX]

What was for dinner tonight?

^^^^
It's been a few days since we had any dinner updates, so I assume the "diet" is RIP.

The diet is not RIP, although it is on a break for the next 72 hours.  I will resume it when I get back to Tulsa Monday evening.

Yes, it is. I've been dieting for over a year, and am now down 95lbs. You've cheated on your diet more times since you've started than I have since I started. Enjoy your weight gain, fatty. 300lbs looks great on you.

[Joe Republic]

Guys, please keep actual Biblical scholar debate to a minimum. It's boring as h-e-double-hockey-sticks.

All Biblical talk should be centered around ODF's beliefs, which are actually entertaining.

Yeah, but, see, the hope is that by throwing real Biblical scholar talk at ODF, we can get him to elaborate on his own beliefs more.

You are not going to change my mind or even cause me to think.  I believe what the Bible says more than I believe what any man says.  The Bible was written by 40 men, but authored by God Himself. That point cannot be disproven.  The Bible is the ultimate authority on life on earth and after.  There is no scholar who is above the Bible.  God authored the Bible and since no one can dispute that God is the ultimate authority about the existence of the universe (which He created), then I am going to believe God and His Word over some obsolete scholar.  And, yes, the Apostle John wrote the Gospel of John, 1,2,3 John, and Revelation.  Nobody can seriously question that.

Do not talk to me about it anymore.  You are not going to change my mind.  Ever.  Period.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Yes, there are a ton of people who are impossible to convert. Bushie is one of them.

[BaconBacon96]

What was for dinner tonight?

^^^^
It's been a few days since we had any dinner updates, so I assume the "diet" is RIP.

The diet is not RIP, although it is on a break for the next 72 hours.  I will resume it when I get back to Tulsa Monday evening.

This is not how a diet works.