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« Reply #1400 on: March 03, 2015, 07:59:09 PM »

I would like to know more about the coke binges. How much coke does he drink in one binge? How frequently does he binge? Is he ashamed of his binges and is that why we've never heard of them until now?

It happens more than I want to admit, but there are hours on end that I constantly have a can of coke or diet dr pepper next to me.  The last time this happened was this past weekend when I had a coke next to me pretty much all day until the last hour or so before bed time.  I don't chug the cokes, but I constantly sip on one.  I don't feel as bad when it's Diet Dr Pepper as that has no calories, but still it's something I need to break away from.
Are you sipping from the same can all day or are you putting away a 12 pack? It makes a difference. How much soda did you drink that day? I know how you feel. I also grew up drinking exclusively Coke, except at my grandmother's, where I drank Diet Coke.
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« Reply #1401 on: March 03, 2015, 08:04:25 PM »

Some employers, especially those with the handling of money, do require credit checks, though, to make sure you are not delinquent on your own bills and are trustworthy to handle a corporations money.
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Not only this, but people with better credit tend to be, all other things equal, better employees. It's sort of like why The Gap drug tests. It's not even so much that they're afraid a high employee will do a poor job folding a sweater. They've crunched the numbers and it works out for them. President Obama mentioned the hazard of getting caught in a bad credit without a job and no job with bad credit endless loop in a state of the union a few years back, but nothing ever came of it.

I would refuse a job that required such a gross invasion of privacy.
I hope you enjoy hypothetical unemployment. Ameican workers don't have the luxury of privacy. We're forced to submit to whatever violations employers think up in order to pay the bills.

Well, another reason to be glad to not be subject to American industrial relation laws.
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« Reply #1402 on: March 03, 2015, 08:11:27 PM »

Ha, I just voted for 225.  My goal for 364 days from now is obviously lower, but not giving myself the benefit of the doubt, I voted 225.  I seriously doubt, even with a lot of hard work, I will weigh under 200 lbs by then.

I just weighed this morning, and I weigh 274.4, which is actually a decrease of a half pound in the last 48 hours.  I was almost sure I would be 277, at least.  274.4 is by no means a glorious number, but just being 3 pounds under what I thought I would be is okay.  My first goal by June 20, is 260 lbs.

Why do you bring this up?   What is your purpose other than public shaming?
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« Reply #1403 on: March 03, 2015, 08:12:04 PM »

I would like to know more about the coke binges. How much coke does he drink in one binge? How frequently does he binge? Is he ashamed of his binges and is that why we've never heard of them until now?

It happens more than I want to admit, but there are hours on end that I constantly have a can of coke or diet dr pepper next to me.  The last time this happened was this past weekend when I had a coke next to me pretty much all day until the last hour or so before bed time.  I don't chug the cokes, but I constantly sip on one.  I don't feel as bad when it's Diet Dr Pepper as that has no calories, but still it's something I need to break away from.
Are you sipping from the same can all day or are you putting away a 12 pack? It makes a difference. How much soda did you drink that day? I know how you feel. I also grew up drinking exclusively Coke, except at my grandmother's, where I drank Diet Coke.

Maybe 3-4 cans on the worst of days.
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« Reply #1404 on: March 03, 2015, 08:17:48 PM »

Name one diet where you've actually lost at least 10 pounds during the first 4 weeks. ONE.

November 2011-February 2012 - I lost nearly 30 pounds overall in that diet and over 10 pounds in the first month.  I've since gained it all back, but I'm not without precedent in losing weight.  I got down to the high 250's from 285.  If I can just get back to what I did then, I'd be in a whole lot better shape.  The problem is after I got back from Kenya that March, I fell off the diet.

What did you do to supposedly lose all that weight during that period?
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« Reply #1405 on: March 03, 2015, 08:20:02 PM »

Name one diet where you've actually lost at least 10 pounds during the first 4 weeks. ONE.

November 2011-February 2012 - I lost nearly 30 pounds overall in that diet and over 10 pounds in the first month.  I've since gained it all back, but I'm not without precedent in losing weight.  I got down to the high 250's from 285.  If I can just get back to what I did then, I'd be in a whole lot better shape.  The problem is after I got back from Kenya that March, I fell off the diet.

What did you do to supposedly lose all that weight during that period?


I know I switched exclusively to diet pop and had no regular pop for the entire period.  I hit a plateau with the weight loss because I needed to do more than just drink diet pop and really didn't know what else I should do next.  Then, Kenya happened and interrupted by progress...
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« Reply #1406 on: March 03, 2015, 08:28:50 PM »

Ha, I just voted for 225.  My goal for 364 days from now is obviously lower, but not giving myself the benefit of the doubt, I voted 225.  I seriously doubt, even with a lot of hard work, I will weigh under 200 lbs by then.

I just weighed this morning, and I weigh 274.4, which is actually a decrease of a half pound in the last 48 hours.  I was almost sure I would be 277, at least.  274.4 is by no means a glorious number, but just being 3 pounds under what I thought I would be is okay.  My first goal by June 20, is 260 lbs.

Why do you bring this up?   What is your purpose other than public shaming?

I hoping reading posts like that kicks you into gear. You need to be working at weight loss all the time, or before we know it it will be March 2017 and we will be looking back at this moment as yet another moment you could have started losing weight.
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« Reply #1407 on: March 03, 2015, 08:31:13 PM »

Name one diet where you've actually lost at least 10 pounds during the first 4 weeks. ONE.

November 2011-February 2012 - I lost nearly 30 pounds overall in that diet and over 10 pounds in the first month.  I've since gained it all back, but I'm not without precedent in losing weight.  I got down to the high 250's from 285.  If I can just get back to what I did then, I'd be in a whole lot better shape.  The problem is after I got back from Kenya that March, I fell off the diet.

What did you do to supposedly lose all that weight during that period?


I know I switched exclusively to diet pop and had no regular pop for the entire period.  I hit a plateau with the weight loss because I needed to do more than just drink diet pop and really didn't know what else I should do next.  Then, Kenya happened and interrupted by progress...

I see.  Btw, from looking at Update from that period, the lowest you ever hit (at least going by your own public statements) was 261, which happened on March 5, 2012:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=143929.msg3221135#msg3221135

No record of you ever actually getting below 260.
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« Reply #1408 on: March 03, 2015, 08:33:49 PM »

I think the reason why Mom was a little hesitant about the new job is every time there has been physical labor I "hid under the bed"..  She's right, I have shied away from a lot of physical labor in my nearly 33 years, but I reassured her that I am more mature now and ready to settle into a career.  I've got to prove to her that I can do this and that I'm not blowing hot air.
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« Reply #1409 on: March 03, 2015, 08:34:48 PM »

Name one diet where you've actually lost at least 10 pounds during the first 4 weeks. ONE.

November 2011-February 2012 - I lost nearly 30 pounds overall in that diet and over 10 pounds in the first month.  I've since gained it all back, but I'm not without precedent in losing weight.  I got down to the high 250's from 285.  If I can just get back to what I did then, I'd be in a whole lot better shape.  The problem is after I got back from Kenya that March, I fell off the diet.

What did you do to supposedly lose all that weight during that period?


I know I switched exclusively to diet pop and had no regular pop for the entire period.  I hit a plateau with the weight loss because I needed to do more than just drink diet pop and really didn't know what else I should do next.  Then, Kenya happened and interrupted by progress...

I see.  Btw, from looking at Update from that period, the lowest you ever hit (at least going by your own public statements) was 261, which happened on March 5, 2012:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=143929.msg3221135#msg3221135

No record of you ever actually getting below 260.


You're probably right, but it was right around that range.
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« Reply #1410 on: March 03, 2015, 08:39:24 PM »

Ha, I just voted for 225.  My goal for 364 days from now is obviously lower, but not giving myself the benefit of the doubt, I voted 225.  I seriously doubt, even with a lot of hard work, I will weigh under 200 lbs by then.

I just weighed this morning, and I weigh 274.4, which is actually a decrease of a half pound in the last 48 hours.  I was almost sure I would be 277, at least.  274.4 is by no means a glorious number, but just being 3 pounds under what I thought I would be is okay.  My first goal by June 20, is 260 lbs.

Why do you bring this up?   What is your purpose other than public shaming?

I hoping reading posts like that kicks you into gear. You need to be working at weight loss all the time, or before we know it it will be March 2017 and we will be looking back at this moment as yet another moment you could have started losing weight.


I'm hoping this grocery store job will spark a new lifestyle within me being around healthier, natural foods for 8 hours a day.  I imagine and hope I will be around healthier people as a result.  Perhaps the influence from those two sources and the tips I can glean from them will spur me on to a lower weight.  In the mean time, I am going to start walking again and increase my water intake/decrease my DDP intake.  When I do have a cheat day, I will still try to order something that is not as fattening.
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« Reply #1411 on: March 03, 2015, 09:06:22 PM »

Everything you just said is correct, and I know how hard it could be. Just remember what someone said pages back. It takes quite awhile to break an addiction (20 days?). I gave up Coke for Lent two years ago when I drank it all the time. Now I can effectively manage it to about two a week.

I know you can do it too if you can withhold cheat days on that (Sunday exceptions were not used by me). Breaking a habit is hard, but it requires focus. It's probably much harder for you with the lack of an obvious alternative, but have you tried anything else? Even stuff like iced tea is marginally better. What about Coke Zero? Switch that in for water now and then. (I presume that's not too bad. Haven't heard much about it.)

The first step in breaking an addiction is admitting there is an addiction.

Bushie, don't get swept up in the de facto 12-step nonsense.  I can't even begin to describe how harmful it can be unless it's actually what you believe. 
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« Reply #1412 on: March 03, 2015, 09:17:22 PM »

I think the reason why Mom was a little hesitant about the new job is every time there has been physical labor I "hid under the bed"..  She's right, I have shied away from a lot of physical labor in my nearly 33 years, but I reassured her that I am more mature now and ready to settle into a career.  I've got to prove to her that I can do this and that I'm not blowing hot air.
Physical labor? You're working at a grocery, not digging ditches...
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« Reply #1413 on: March 03, 2015, 09:21:39 PM »

I think the reason why Mom was a little hesitant about the new job is every time there has been physical labor I "hid under the bed"..  She's right, I have shied away from a lot of physical labor in my nearly 33 years, but I reassured her that I am more mature now and ready to settle into a career.  I've got to prove to her that I can do this and that I'm not blowing hot air.
Physical labor? You're working at a grocery, not digging ditches...

Standing up for more than a few minutes at a time = physical labor, for someone in Bushie's shape.
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« Reply #1414 on: March 03, 2015, 09:25:18 PM »

I think the reason why Mom was a little hesitant about the new job is every time there has been physical labor I "hid under the bed"..  She's right, I have shied away from a lot of physical labor in my nearly 33 years, but I reassured her that I am more mature now and ready to settle into a career.  I've got to prove to her that I can do this and that I'm not blowing hot air.
Physical labor? You're working at a grocery, not digging ditches...

That was my thought when she mentioned physical labor.  But, Morden's post makes sense, too.
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« Reply #1415 on: March 03, 2015, 10:02:23 PM »

Mama Bushie looks down on people who work at groceries. They're doing "physical labor." People in call centers, on the other hand, have very prestigious jobs.
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« Reply #1416 on: March 03, 2015, 10:05:08 PM »

Mama Bushie looks down on people who work at groceries. They're doing "physical labor." People in call centers, on the other hand, have very prestigious jobs.

That's not it at all.  She was just concerned if I could do it or not given my tendencies.
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« Reply #1417 on: March 03, 2015, 10:24:38 PM »

Everything you just said is correct, and I know how hard it could be. Just remember what someone said pages back. It takes quite awhile to break an addiction (20 days?). I gave up Coke for Lent two years ago when I drank it all the time. Now I can effectively manage it to about two a week.

I know you can do it too if you can withhold cheat days on that (Sunday exceptions were not used by me). Breaking a habit is hard, but it requires focus. It's probably much harder for you with the lack of an obvious alternative, but have you tried anything else? Even stuff like iced tea is marginally better. What about Coke Zero? Switch that in for water now and then. (I presume that's not too bad. Haven't heard much about it.)

The first step in breaking an addiction is admitting there is an addiction.

How many further steps can you take before resting for a nap?
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« Reply #1418 on: March 03, 2015, 10:39:26 PM »

An employer checking job applicant credit scores seems less objectionable than requiring that employees take drug tests. I heard a lecture not long ago that brought up that one of the best predictors of good credit is having bought those little fuzzy pads that you attach to the bottom of pieces of furniture so that it doesn't scrape the floor. If good credit correlates that highly with general conscientiousness, then it is probably high predictive of job performance, especially in entry-level positions that don't assume prior training or experience. It's certainly more relevant to the job than whether or not someone is having fun in a company-approved manner on the weekends.

I support both, but I see your post very clearly.  You raise some really good points.
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« Reply #1419 on: March 03, 2015, 10:41:20 PM »

Everything you just said is correct, and I know how hard it could be. Just remember what someone said pages back. It takes quite awhile to break an addiction (20 days?). I gave up Coke for Lent two years ago when I drank it all the time. Now I can effectively manage it to about two a week.

I know you can do it too if you can withhold cheat days on that (Sunday exceptions were not used by me). Breaking a habit is hard, but it requires focus. It's probably much harder for you with the lack of an obvious alternative, but have you tried anything else? Even stuff like iced tea is marginally better. What about Coke Zero? Switch that in for water now and then. (I presume that's not too bad. Haven't heard much about it.)

The first step in breaking an addiction is admitting there is an addiction.

So are you ready to try my soda challenge? No soda period on Mondays. Only water.
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« Reply #1420 on: March 03, 2015, 10:42:33 PM »


Bushie is basically a case study in why socialism failed in the United States.
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« Reply #1421 on: March 03, 2015, 10:50:27 PM »

Everything you just said is correct, and I know how hard it could be. Just remember what someone said pages back. It takes quite awhile to break an addiction (20 days?). I gave up Coke for Lent two years ago when I drank it all the time. Now I can effectively manage it to about two a week.

I know you can do it too if you can withhold cheat days on that (Sunday exceptions were not used by me). Breaking a habit is hard, but it requires focus. It's probably much harder for you with the lack of an obvious alternative, but have you tried anything else? Even stuff like iced tea is marginally better. What about Coke Zero? Switch that in for water now and then. (I presume that's not too bad. Haven't heard much about it.)

The first step in breaking an addiction is admitting there is an addiction.

So are you ready to try my soda challenge? No soda period on Mondays. Only water.

Yes. No more soda on Mondays. He may have the occasional Sunkist or Root Beer, but no more Coke products!
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« Reply #1422 on: March 03, 2015, 10:59:42 PM »

Everything you just said is correct, and I know how hard it could be. Just remember what someone said pages back. It takes quite awhile to break an addiction (20 days?). I gave up Coke for Lent two years ago when I drank it all the time. Now I can effectively manage it to about two a week.

I know you can do it too if you can withhold cheat days on that (Sunday exceptions were not used by me). Breaking a habit is hard, but it requires focus. It's probably much harder for you with the lack of an obvious alternative, but have you tried anything else? Even stuff like iced tea is marginally better. What about Coke Zero? Switch that in for water now and then. (I presume that's not too bad. Haven't heard much about it.)

The first step in breaking an addiction is admitting there is an addiction.

So are you ready to try my soda challenge? No soda period on Mondays. Only water.

Yes. No more soda on Mondays. He may have the occasional Sunkist or Root Beer, but no more Coke products!

And Memorial Day is a cheat. Labor Day too. You can't expect him to not cheat on Columbus Day either, can you? He refuses, that is, flat out refuses to limit his enjoyment of the Columbus Day holiday.
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« Reply #1423 on: March 03, 2015, 10:59:54 PM »

Everything you just said is correct, and I know how hard it could be. Just remember what someone said pages back. It takes quite awhile to break an addiction (20 days?). I gave up Coke for Lent two years ago when I drank it all the time. Now I can effectively manage it to about two a week.

I know you can do it too if you can withhold cheat days on that (Sunday exceptions were not used by me). Breaking a habit is hard, but it requires focus. It's probably much harder for you with the lack of an obvious alternative, but have you tried anything else? Even stuff like iced tea is marginally better. What about Coke Zero? Switch that in for water now and then. (I presume that's not too bad. Haven't heard much about it.)

The first step in breaking an addiction is admitting there is an addiction.

So are you ready to try my soda challenge? No soda period on Mondays. Only water.

Yes. No more soda on Mondays. He may have the occasional Sunkist or Root Beer, but no more Coke products!

LOL.  

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« Reply #1424 on: March 03, 2015, 11:01:11 PM »

Everything you just said is correct, and I know how hard it could be. Just remember what someone said pages back. It takes quite awhile to break an addiction (20 days?). I gave up Coke for Lent two years ago when I drank it all the time. Now I can effectively manage it to about two a week.

I know you can do it too if you can withhold cheat days on that (Sunday exceptions were not used by me). Breaking a habit is hard, but it requires focus. It's probably much harder for you with the lack of an obvious alternative, but have you tried anything else? Even stuff like iced tea is marginally better. What about Coke Zero? Switch that in for water now and then. (I presume that's not too bad. Haven't heard much about it.)

The first step in breaking an addiction is admitting there is an addiction.

you're using 12-step rationalizations.  "it's a disease, there's more to it that just stopping, I can't just stop!"  thus in your case planning your 'relapse' on fast food and sugar.
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