Should religous students be allowed to opt out of science classes?

[phk]

Should religous students be allowed to opt out of science classes?

[A18]

Yes, as should non-religious students. Obviously.

[ragnar]

Of couse not

[A18]

Of couse not

Why not? Science is one of the useless classes for 90% of the population.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No. Don't be ridiculous.

[ragnar]

Of couse not

Why not? Science is one of the useless classes for 90% of the population.

you risk losing some of the last 10 %, plus science gives you an basic understanding of the world we live in.

[A18]

No, it doesn't. It gives you an understanding of the world we live in, but not a basic understanding, which people have by age 5. As for understanding, I could say the same about economics, U.S. history, or anything else.

The question was should they be allowed to opt out, not should they be forced, so you won't lose religious future scientists.

[Emsworth]

There should be no special treatment for religious students. Either everyone should be able to opt out for any reason, or the class should be mandatory for all.

[A18]

There should be no special treatment for religious students. Either everyone should be able to opt out for any reason, or the class should be mandatory for all.

I agree, but that's not the question. Should students be able to opt out or not?

[Dave from Michigan]

At my high school you could opt out and leave for the evolution part of biology, if you wanted too and your parents signed a waiver.  Our teacher made a big speech on how it's a very touchy subject.

[A18]

That sounds pretty dumb. I just think you shouldn't have to learn a bunch of useless information.

[Dave from Michigan]

Also I have no problem with people opting out for the evolution part, athough I personally did not.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

at my school in a rather conservative area, they just taught us evolution like everything else, no talk of opting out, and no one whined or said it was wrong at all! I have no clue how its gotten to be such a big deal if it's completely noncontroversial there. I never met a single kid who didn't believe in evolution, despite the many who wore WWJD attire.

[Jake]

Same as BRTD here. I live in a cosnervative, rural, religious area, and no one really cares about evolution. I really didn't care, I mean, we spent three days on it and had a quiz. Nothing life threatening.

[Smash255]

Of course not

Whats next are students going to opt out of geography & History classes because the church use to teach the world was flat??

[A18]

Of course not

Whats next are students going to opt out of geography & History classes because the church use to teach the world was flat??

Maybe, or they might opt out because they don't care about either of those subjects. Sounds reasonable to me!

[Smash255]

Of course not

Whats next are students going to opt out of geography & History classes because the church use to teach the world was flat??

Maybe, or they might opt out because they don't care about either of those subjects. Sounds reasonable to me!

That is one of the dumbest arguments I ever heard, then again I do have to consider the source where its coming from...

[A18]

Of course not

Whats next are students going to opt out of geography & History classes because the church use to teach the world was flat??

Maybe, or they might opt out because they don't care about either of those subjects. Sounds reasonable to me!

I don't have an actual argument, so I'm going to make stupid comments...

Okay.

[opebo]

Letting them opt out but not graduate would be a reasonable option, except that it would be aquiescing to their abuse by religious parents.  No, they should be required to take the classes.

[ragnar]

No, it doesn't. It gives you an understanding of the world we live in, but not a basic understanding, which people have by age 5. As for understanding, I could say the same about economics, U.S. history, or anything else.

Your are in part right, but you need to understand how the world work in an all around fashion to become "an whole human"

The question was should they be allowed to opt out, not should they be forced, so you won't lose religious future scientists.

Many people would leave this class due to press from their parent, because the fact didn´t fit with their religious belief plus bad parent would allow their children to opt out due to laziness

[A18]

Letting them opt out but not graduate would be a reasonable option, except that it would be aquiescing to their abuse by religious parents.  No, they should be required to take the classes.

Why? I'm sure they forgot more than you'll ever know.

[A18]

No, it doesn't. It gives you an understanding of the world we live in, but not a basic understanding, which people have by age 5. As for understanding, I could say the same about economics, U.S. history, or anything else.

Your are in part right, but you need to understand how the world work in an all around fashion to become "an whole human"

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The question was should they be allowed to opt out, not should they be forced, so you won't lose religious future scientists.

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Many people would leave this class due to press from their parent, because the fact didn´t fit with their religious belief plus bad parent would allow their children to opt out due to laziness

That could be said about anything. Want to force kids to take journalism, economics, business?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I enver took any of those high school. I still have yet to take a journalism class in fact.

[Inverted Things]

School exists only to waste students' time until the job market is ready for them. How the time is wasted makes little difference.

[A18]

I enver took any of those high school. I still have yet to take a journalism class in fact.

My point exactly. Plus, it's going to have to be up to the parents at some point to teach their children.