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« on: February 14, 2015, 11:15:44 PM »

Diversity = The one that most people talk about, and the "politically correct version". The GOP reaches out to minorities (particularly Hispanics) and either stays static with or only slightly increases their amount of white voters in order to get a win.

Mississippi = Self explanatory. Go all in on white voters. Try to make whites so heavily Republican that even if nonwhites vote heavily Democratic, the Republicans win anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2015, 11:21:18 PM »

Diversity. It makes sense to go where the voters are increasing.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2015, 11:26:57 PM »

Mississippi becoming majority-minority (i.e. African-American dominated) could actually be a blessing in disguise for the GOP.  Together with the eventual loss of Georgia and Florida, that if nothing else could spur them to appeal (genuinely and sincerely this time) to minorities, forever repudiating Nixon's Southern Strategy.  Until that happens, though, count on them to try to maximize white support to the exclusion of everyone else.  
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2015, 12:21:56 AM »

The first one, because there are always going to be enough liberal liberal whites that it will be impossible to maintain Mississippi levels of white vote margins on a national scale.
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2015, 01:23:57 AM »

Diversity. It'll be hard to get over 65% of the white vote, there's still too many liberal whites nationwide that prevent them from getting Southern levels of whites.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2015, 01:27:53 AM »

I don't think it works as well any more to launch a Presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2015, 08:31:44 AM »

Mississippi.  As the minority share of the vote in many states crosses 30%-35%, White moderates and liberals will become a minority within the Dem party.  As a result they will leave the Dem party in droves and the GOP will have to give them an alternative party to migrate to.   
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2015, 09:12:53 AM »

Mississippi.  As the minority share of the vote in many states crosses 30%-35%, White moderates and liberals will become a minority within the Dem party.  As a result they will leave the Dem party in droves and the GOP will have to give them an alternative party to migrate to.   

That's not going to happen.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2015, 10:23:42 AM »

Diversity. Assuming demographic trends continue (a big if, I know), the Mississippi strategy only postpones the inevitable. Here is a more detailed version of my Diversity strategy

1) Moderation on economic issues
While many have suggested that social moderation is key to the GOP doing better with minorities, I think economic moderation is more important. Right now social conservatism is the only thing for Hispanics in the GOP since the Republicans offer basically nothing to the working class.

In the 2012 Presidential election, home owners and married couples voted more GOP than the population at large. Indeed the marriage gap is much larger than the gender gap that the media loves to discuss. The GOP should therefore do everything they can to encourage home ownership and family formation. This should include attacking restrictive planning laws, tax incentives for marriage and children, and tax credits to encourage hiring young people.

2) Change which social issues are emphasized
The most common line you hear about appealing to minorities is that the GOP must moderate on social issues. However, there are also many poorer whites who vote mainly on social issues. Turning into a European conservative party will send those voters back to the Democrats. The GOP should instead moderate on some of their losing issues (marijuana, gay marriage, immigration), while holding the line on issues that help them or mobilize activists (gun control, abortion etc.)

3) Undercut Democratic ethnic appeals
The Conservative Party of Canada had a great deal of success with Asian voters in part due to ad campaigns that aligned immigrant values (hard work, family comes first etc.) with the Conservative Party. At the same time, they sought to undermine the Liberals and NDP by insinuating the they were all a bunch of BoBo. The slogan said it all "Isn't it time we voted our values?" The GOP could find similar success with Asian voters by duplicating this strategy.

Here's an example of the ads for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U66jRmsPKno

It's in a mix of Punjabi and English, but you get the idea.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2015, 10:44:50 AM »

I don't think the Democratic Party will have huge majority among latinos forever.

In the future, white latinos may be only white. That's what happened with other non-Anglo Saxon white groups.

Latinos running away from poverty in Latin America are usually Democratic. But Cuban Americans are Republican. They were rich citizens running away from Castro regime. Nowadays, there are many rich citizens from other Latin American countries moving to the USA running away from the elected center-left governments. They are like cuban immigrants. When they become American citizens, many of them will probably vote Republican.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2015, 11:14:58 AM »

Whatever the GOP is doing is working. They have bigger majorities than anytime since 1928

Dont forget the "GOP" isnt just President. It is also the local recorder of deeds, the city council, the state legislator. By that measure the GOP is the majority party. The Dems are in a similar position to the GOP with Ford in 1975. They have the WH but nothing else.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2015, 01:25:19 PM »

I don't think the Democratic Party will have huge majority among latinos forever.

In the future, white latinos may be only white. That's what happened with other non-Anglo Saxon white groups.

Latinos running away from poverty in Latin America are usually Democratic. But Cuban Americans are Republican. They were rich citizens running away from Castro regime. Nowadays, there are many rich citizens from other Latin American countries moving to the USA running away from the elected center-left governments. They are like cuban immigrants. When they become American citizens, many of them will probably vote Republican.

I saw a story how the US in 2050 will filled with whites who have hispanic last names. Intermarriage will dilute hispanic identity and loyalty to the Dem party. The Dems need racial and ethnic hatred.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2015, 02:07:37 PM »

Mississippi.  As the minority share of the vote in many states crosses 30%-35%, White moderates and liberals will become a minority within the Dem party.  As a result they will leave the Dem party in droves and the GOP will have to give them an alternative party to migrate to.   

A bunch of white liberals joining the GOP? That sounds like krazen's worst nightmare.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2015, 02:11:45 PM »

Whatever the GOP is doing is working. They have bigger majorities than anytime since 1928

Dont forget the "GOP" isnt just President. It is also the local recorder of deeds, the city council, the state legislator. By that measure the GOP is the majority party. The Dems are in a similar position to the GOP with Ford in 1975. They have the WH but nothing else.

They've won the popular vote once in the last six elections. It's pretty clear that they start in a hole in a nationwide high turnout election. Their success in other areas has come from low turnout midterms and gerrymandering. Of course, at the end of the day it doesn't make a difference, the people who hold the offices still hold them. But it's difficult for the GOP to claim a greater mandate than the Democrats until they can win a presidential election comfortably (which they haven't done since 1988).
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2015, 08:36:18 PM »

Mississippi becoming majority-minority (i.e. African-American dominated) could actually be a blessing in disguise for the GOP.  Together with the eventual loss of Georgia and Florida, that if nothing else could spur them to appeal (genuinely and sincerely this time) to minorities, forever repudiating Nixon's Southern Strategy.  Until that happens, though, count on them to try to maximize white support to the exclusion of everyone else.  
It really doesn't have to do with Nixon anymore it has to do with The South being the "Bible Belt" that whites vote Republican so heavily mostly that started with Reagan in 1980.
The South started to trend Republican as far back as the 1950's. Nixon just sped up "The South" being Republican with "The Southern Strategy".

True the GOP would likely moderate or modify some of their policy positions if the Dems started to make MS and GA close in Presidential Elections.
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2015, 08:39:12 PM »

Whatever the GOP is doing is working. They have bigger majorities than anytime since 1928

Dont forget the "GOP" isnt just President. It is also the local recorder of deeds, the city council, the state legislator. By that measure the GOP is the majority party. The Dems are in a similar position to the GOP with Ford in 1975. They have the WH but nothing else.

They've won the popular vote once in the last six elections. It's pretty clear that they start in a hole in a nationwide high turnout election. Their success in other areas has come from low turnout midterms and gerrymandering. Of course, at the end of the day it doesn't make a difference, the people who hold the offices still hold them. But it's difficult for the GOP to claim a greater mandate than the Democrats until they can win a presidential election comfortably (which they haven't done since 1988).
True Bush W. winning in 2000 and 2004 was not a true mandate at all.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2015, 08:48:08 PM »
« Edited: February 15, 2015, 08:50:02 PM by hopper »

Mississippi becoming majority-minority (i.e. African-American dominated) could actually be a blessing in disguise for the GOP.  Together with the eventual loss of Georgia and Florida, that if nothing else could spur them to appeal (genuinely and sincerely this time) to minorities, forever repudiating Nixon's Southern Strategy.  Until that happens, though, count on them to try to maximize white support to the exclusion of everyone else.  
[/quote/]It really doesn't have to do with Nixon anymore it has to do with The South being the "Bible Belt" that whites vote Republican so heavily mostly that started with Reagan in 1980.
The South started to trend Republican as far back as the 1950's. Nixon just sped up "The South" being Republican with "The Southern Strategy".

True the GOP would likely moderate or modify some of their policy positions if the Dems started to make MS and GA close in Presidential Elections.

Anyways, The Mississippi Strategy will fail because Whites outside of The South aren't
majority Evangelicals in terms or religion . Does the GOP need more White Votes? Sure but they may need more votes outside of Caucasians period.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2015, 11:14:13 PM »

Diversity. Assuming demographic trends continue (a big if, I know), the Mississippi strategy only postpones the inevitable. Here is a more detailed version of my Diversity strategy

1) Moderation on economic issues
While many have suggested that social moderation is key to the GOP doing better with minorities, I think economic moderation is more important. Right now social conservatism is the only thing for Hispanics in the GOP since the Republicans offer basically nothing to the working class.

In the 2012 Presidential election, home owners and married couples voted more GOP than the population at large. Indeed the marriage gap is much larger than the gender gap that the media loves to discuss. The GOP should therefore do everything they can to encourage home ownership and family formation. This should include attacking restrictive planning laws, tax incentives for marriage and children, and tax credits to encourage hiring young people.

2) Change which social issues are emphasized
The most common line you hear about appealing to minorities is that the GOP must moderate on social issues. However, there are also many poorer whites who vote mainly on social issues. Turning into a European conservative party will send those voters back to the Democrats. The GOP should instead moderate on some of their losing issues (marijuana, gay marriage, immigration), while holding the line on issues that help them or mobilize activists (gun control, abortion etc.)

3) Undercut Democratic ethnic appeals
The Conservative Party of Canada had a great deal of success with Asian voters in part due to ad campaigns that aligned immigrant values (hard work, family comes first etc.) with the Conservative Party. At the same time, they sought to undermine the Liberals and NDP by insinuating the they were all a bunch of BoBo. The slogan said it all "Isn't it time we voted our values?" The GOP could find similar success with Asian voters by duplicating this strategy.

Here's an example of the ads for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U66jRmsPKno

It's in a mix of Punjabi and English, but you get the idea.

Immigration is not a losing issue for the GOP and the marriage thing will come back in the GOP's favor.
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2015, 11:28:06 PM »

the marriage thing will come back in the GOP's favor.

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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2015, 02:26:54 AM »

I'd personally like to see them adopt the "Diversity Strategy", but everything up until this point seems indicative of the Mississippi Strategy. 

I'll expand more on this later.
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2015, 10:26:27 AM »

Whatever the GOP is doing is working. They have bigger majorities than anytime since 1928

Dont forget the "GOP" isnt just President. It is also the local recorder of deeds, the city council, the state legislator. By that measure the GOP is the majority party. The Dems are in a similar position to the GOP with Ford in 1975. They have the WH but nothing else.

They've won the popular vote once in the last six elections. It's pretty clear that they start in a hole in a nationwide high turnout election. Their success in other areas has come from low turnout midterms and gerrymandering. Of course, at the end of the day it doesn't make a difference, the people who hold the offices still hold them. But it's difficult for the GOP to claim a greater mandate than the Democrats until they can win a presidential election comfortably (which they haven't done since 1988).

Their losses in presidential elections explains their successes in midterm elections, which are simply biased against the party in the White House, not inherently pro-GOP.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2015, 01:40:46 PM »

I don't think the Democratic Party will have huge majority among latinos forever.

In the future, white latinos may be only white. That's what happened with other non-Anglo Saxon white groups.

Latinos running away from poverty in Latin America are usually Democratic. But Cuban Americans are Republican. They were rich citizens running away from Castro regime. Nowadays, there are many rich citizens from other Latin American countries moving to the USA running away from the elected center-left governments. They are like cuban immigrants. When they become American citizens, many of them will probably vote Republican.

I saw a story how the US in 2050 will filled with whites who have hispanic last names. Intermarriage will dilute hispanic identity and loyalty to the Dem party. The Dems need racial and ethnic hatred.
I saw an article on National Journal written about how demographics voted in the 2012 Presidential Election written by Ronald Brownstein. Basically he wrote that Romney did as good as Bush W. in 2004 with Married Hispanics. Romney's losses among single Hispanics is what killed him. It goes back to the question "Does He Care About People Like Me?" and Romney lost that question by a whopping 81-11% to Obama. Romney also did as good as Bush W. in 2004 with Hispanics College Graduates. Basically I think Blue-Collar Single Hispanics is what did Romney in with the Hispanic Vote in the end.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2015, 01:51:08 PM »

Mississippi becoming majority-minority (i.e. African-American dominated) could actually be a blessing in disguise for the GOP.  Together with the eventual loss of Georgia and Florida, that if nothing else could spur them to appeal (genuinely and sincerely this time) to minorities, forever repudiating Nixon's Southern Strategy.  Until that happens, though, count on them to try to maximize white support to the exclusion of everyone else.  
Georgia and Florida are kinda different from each other in Presidential Elections. I wouldn't compare the two. Florida can be compared to Ohio on how each states vote currently rather than comparing Florida to Georgia.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2015, 02:29:12 PM »

Diversity. Assuming demographic trends continue (a big if, I know), the Mississippi strategy only postpones the inevitable. Here is a more detailed version of my Diversity strategy

1) Moderation on economic issues
While many have suggested that social moderation is key to the GOP doing better with minorities, I think economic moderation is more important. Right now social conservatism is the only thing for Hispanics in the GOP since the Republicans offer basically nothing to the working class.

In the 2012 Presidential election, home owners and married couples voted more GOP than the population at large. Indeed the marriage gap is much larger than the gender gap that the media loves to discuss. The GOP should therefore do everything they can to encourage home ownership and family formation. This should include attacking restrictive planning laws, tax incentives for marriage and children, and tax credits to encourage hiring young people.

2) Change which social issues are emphasized
The most common line you hear about appealing to minorities is that the GOP must moderate on social issues. However, there are also many poorer whites who vote mainly on social issues. Turning into a European conservative party will send those voters back to the Democrats. The GOP should instead moderate on some of their losing issues (marijuana, gay marriage, immigration), while holding the line on issues that help them or mobilize activists (gun control, abortion etc.)

3) Undercut Democratic ethnic appeals
The Conservative Party of Canada had a great deal of success with Asian voters in part due to ad campaigns that aligned immigrant values (hard work, family comes first etc.) with the Conservative Party. At the same time, they sought to undermine the Liberals and NDP by insinuating the they were all a bunch of BoBo. The slogan said it all "Isn't it time we voted our values?" The GOP could find similar success with Asian voters by duplicating this strategy.

Here's an example of the ads for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U66jRmsPKno

It's in a mix of Punjabi and English, but you get the idea.

Immigration is not a losing issue for the GOP and the marriage thing will come back in the GOP's favor.
I don't see that happening Generation Y is very in favor of Same-Sex Marriage.

Immigration-Mostly Yes and a little bit of No on it being a losing issue for the party. The GOP is for legal immigration  but I think the GOP as a party on the federal level the party is very split on doing immigration reform.
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2015, 08:11:43 PM »

the marriage thing will come back in the GOP's favor.

Right after we sodimize the children and ban hetro marriage, right?
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