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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2005, 02:59:28 PM »

Northern Ireland
UUP 18
DUP 18. Last election they both left out a seat or three held by the other party...looks like relations between them have soured further. Smiley
SDLP 18
SF 18
Alliance 14. Worth pointing out where they're not standing: West Belfast, Foyle, West Tyrone, Fermanagh & South Tyrone
Workers Party: 7
Rainbow etc (see Wales): 7 seats, three different candidates or so. What is this anyways?
Tories: 3
Socialist Environmental Alliance: 1
independents: 5 in as many seats.
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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2005, 03:04:31 PM »

Scottish Green Party - 19. Is the Scottish Green Party organizationally independents of the Greens South of the border?

I would doubt it. All the parties put "Scottish" before the party name on the ballot north of the border.


From their website:
"In 1990 the Scottish Green Party became a separate party from the party in England and Wales (Northern Ireland also took this route later). The separation was entirely amicable, as part of the green commitment to
decentralisation and we still share campaigns and ideas as part of the Green islands network."
Note that the Northern Irish Green Party isn't running any candidates...or maybe it is officially called "Socialist Environmental Alliance".
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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2005, 03:24:20 PM »

Northeast (30 seats):
Labour - 30
Tories - 30
LD - 30
BNP - 9
UKIP - 7
Socialist Labour - 3
Veritas - 3
Monter Raving Loony Party - 3
Green - 2
National Front - 2
Respect - 1
English Democrats - 1
Socialist Alternative - 1
Communist Party of Britain - 1
Pensioners Party - 1
Senior Citizens Party - 1 (both standing against Tony Blair)
Blair Must Go Party - 1 (yeah, you guessed it. Standing against Tony Blair)
Save the National Health - 1
Imperial Party 1 (wtf?)
Newcastle Academy with Christian Values Party - 1 (wtf?)independents - 11, in 6 constituencies (5 independents standing against Tony Blair, plus one other constituency with two)
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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2005, 03:33:45 PM »

Just stumbled on this factoid: Normanton constituency, in West Yorkshire, has been represented by the Labour Party since its inception 1909, and by Working class Liberals since 1885 before that...without any interruption. Any other seats with a similar record? (Yeah, I know there've been occasional boundary changes.)
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2005, 04:58:28 PM »

Extremely dramatic boundary changes in Normanton, but yep the core of the seat has been either Labour or Lib/Lab since (some) working class people were allowed to vote.
Lucky Ed Balls.

As for other seats;

Rhondda has had a Labour or Lib/Lab M.P since the 1890's at least (maybe slightly before as well). Closest this record came to ending was (ironically) in 1945 when a Communist nearly won one of the two Rhondda seats (not sure if it was east or west. Both were merged in 1974).
Most South Wales seats have been Labour, Independent Labour or Lib/Lab for a very, very long time as well (in most cases since the '20's).
Same goes for most of the Yorks/Lancs mining seats (interestingly since it became a seat in it's own right, Barnsley (now Barnsley Central) has never elected a Tory). The Durham seats are harder to work out because of the radical boundary changes after '50, but I do know that the area where my family comes from was one of a tiny number of seats to stay Labour in 1931 Smiley
Most of the East End has been Labour since the '20's.
Wolverhampton NE had went Tory for the first time since the 19th century in 1987. Normal service has since resumed.
Canterbury has had a Tory M.P since the 1870's, although it's come very close to going red recently and at some point in the nearish future that record will end. Rutland has voted Tory at every general election since the 1870's, but I think it went Liberal in a by-election in the early 20th century. Thirsk & Malton (now Ryedale) had been Tory since the 19th century until it was briefly lost to the Liberals in a by-election in the '80's.
Dorset West has been Tory since the 1870's, although that record also seems doomed. There's probably a few places in the South East that have never had anything but a Tory M.P since 1832, but I've not checked.
Longest Liberal record was Montgomeryshire (Liberal from the 19th century until 1979) and is now Orkney & Shetland (Liberal since 1950).

The best record of all is South Shields; since 1832 it has never, ever had a Tory M.P...
But the most amusing record is probably Norfolk SW: from 1950 until 1970 it always backed the loser.

"Norfolk do different"
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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2005, 08:26:33 AM »

Yorkshire & Humberside
Labour - 56
LD - 56
Tories -56
BNP - 35
UKIP - 28
Greens - 21
Veritas - 7
English Democrats - 3
Alliance for Green Socialism - 3
Respect - 2
Legalize Cannabis Alliance - 2
Liberal Party - 2
Socialist Labour - 2
Socialist Alternative - 2
Alliance for Change - Restore Peoples Freedom 2
National Front - 1
Monster Raving Loony Party - 1
Death Dungeons & Taxes - 1. We had that name before.
Christian Peoples Alliance - 1 ?
Community Group - 1 ?
Northern Progress - 1 ?
Virtue Currency Cognitive Appraisal Party - 1 Huh
Iraq War. Not in my Name - 1. Obviously an independent with a fancy description.
independents - 11, in 10 seats

The following constituencies have only three candidates:
Barnsley West & Penistone, Don Valley, Selby, Vale of York
...and in the North East (every Northern Irish and every Welsh constituency has at least 4. Every Scottish constituency has at least 5.) Berwick-upon-Tweed, Blaydon, Blyth Valley, Durham North, Newcastle-upon-Tyne North, Tynemouth, Tyneside North.
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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2005, 03:03:48 PM »

North West
Labour - 76
LD - 76
Tories - 76
UKIP - 64. Much stronger presence than further north & east.
BNP - 17
Veritas - 8
Green - 7
Socialist Labour - 7
Liberal - 4
Legalize Cannabis Alliance - 4
Community Action Party - 4
English Democrats - 3
Respect - 2
Socialist Alternative - 2
Workers Revolutionary Party - 2
Clause 28 - 2. What's Clause 28?
Communist Party of Britain - 1
National Front - 1
Democratic Socialist Alliance - People Before Profit - 1
Islam Zinda Baad Platform - 1
Resolutionist Party - 1 Huh
Alternative Party - 1
Xtraordinary People Party - 1
Build Duddon & Morecambe Bridges - 1. Obviously an independent.
Their Party - 1
Your Party - 1. Neighboring seats IIRC, these two.
[self-proclaimed] independents - 12, in 10 constituencies

Three candidates only in Birkenhead, Chorley, Congleton, Crewe & Nantwich, Halton, Knowsley South, and Morecambe & Lunesdale.
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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2005, 03:27:22 PM »

West Midlands
Labour - 59
Tories - 59
UKIP - 59 !!!
LD - 58. Not running against Thomas in Wyre Forest.
BNP - 22
Green - 12
Socialist Alternative - 6
Veritas - 5
Respect - 3
SLP - 2
National Front - 1
Workers Revolutionary Party - 1
Liberal Party - 1
Monster Raving Loony Party - 1
Independent Kidderminster Health & Hospital Concern (ie, independent MP Richard Thomas) - 1
Common Good - 1
Peace & Progress - 1
Families First - 1
Freedom Party - 1
Democratic Labour Party - 1
independents - 10, in 8 constituencies
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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2005, 03:35:18 PM »

The Doctor's name is Taylor.
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2005, 03:44:40 PM »

Is it...? Okay... I didn`t check... Sorry... (hides face in shame)
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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2005, 03:51:13 PM »

East Midlands
Labour - 44
Tories - 44
LD - 44
UKIP - 36
Veritas - 17
BNP - 7
Green - 5
Socialist Labour - 4
Monster etc - 3
English Democrats - 2
Christian Peoples Alliance - 2
SOS - Voters against Overdevelopment of Northampton - 2.
A kiss blown to whoever guesses which two. Smiley
Respect - 1
Socialist Alternative - 1
Socialist Unity - 1
independents - 11, in 9 constituencies
Organization of Free Democrats - 1
Church of the Militant Elvis Party - 1, in Erewash (the Loonies are standing there too)
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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2005, 04:02:00 PM »


Not a very nice thing to say about Kilroy Wink
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« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2005, 04:20:27 PM »


Not a very nice thing to say about Kilroy Wink
Oh, yeah, that loonie too. Smiley

London (74 seats)
Labour - 74
LD - 74
Tories - 74
UKIP - 59
Green - a hefty 53
Vote for Yourself - Rainbow Dream Ticket - 13 constituencies, one single candidate who obviously had 6,500 pounds to blow
BNP - just 12
Veritas - 10
Respect - 7
National Front - 6
Christian Peoples Alliance  - 6
Socialist Labour Party - 5
Workers Revolutionary Party - 5
Loonies - 3
The People's Choice! Exclusive for All - 3. In the three Croydon divisions, and no, three different candidates
English Democrats - 2
Socialist Alternative - 2
Residents' Association of London - 2 ??
Third Way - 2 ??
Liberal Party - 1
Communist Party of Britain - 1
Alliance for Green Socialism - 1
Progressive Democratic Party - 1
Peace & Progress - 1
Alliance for Change - Restore Peoples Freedom - 1
Socialist Party - 1
British Public Party - 1 ??
Civilization Party - 1 ??
Tiger's Eye - The Party for Kids - 1. Last time I checked kids didn't have votes.
The Community (London Borough of Hounslow) - 1. I call that an independent.
Croydon Pensioners Alliance - 1. Ditto.
For Integrity and Trust in Government - 1. Ditto.
Independents - 28 in 24 constituencies
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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2005, 05:39:13 PM »

Scottish Green Party - 19. Is the Scottish Green Party organizationally independents of the Greens South of the border?
Yes.   When parties were required to register, their application was initially rejected (parties have exclusive use of a name or similar names), but it was eventually allowed to register (the register for Great Britain allows a party to indicate that they will contest elections in each of England, Wales, and Scotland).  Most parties will indicate that they will be active in all 3, some such as PC or SNP will indicate only their home area.   The "Green Party" (full, official name) has indicated that they will only contest elections in England and Wales.

Candidates may use different descriptions on the ballot (with permission of their party) and candidates north of the border will often include "Scottish" in their description.

The Northern Ireland party register is separate from that for Great Britain, but a party may register on both.  The Tories have, Labour and LibDems have not.   The "Green Party" (full, official name) registered in Northern Ireland is separate from that in England&Wales, and has a party address in Dublin.  I assume it is the same organization as the party in the Republic of Ireland.
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2005, 01:47:10 AM »

Eastern (a region that needs explaining: Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Suffolk paired with Essex, Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire)
Labour - 56
Tories - 56
LD - 56
UKIP - 52
Green - 17
English Democrats - 6
BNP - 5
Veritas - 4
Respect - 3
Legalize Cannabis Alliance (why is this party not standing for any London seat?) - 2
Workers Revolutionary Party - 2
Open Forum - 2 ??
Socialist Labour - 1
National Front - 1
independents - 15, in 14 seats
plus one each by
Motorcycle News Party
Max Power Party
and
Saint Albans Party

Only three candidates in Cambridgeshire South East, Colchester and Welwyn Hatfield (the other constituency sans UKIP is Hertsmere).
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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2005, 02:04:39 AM »

Eastern is an official region; the old East Anglia standard region with Essex, Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire added to it.
Essex actually makes sense (up to a point) but I don't know why the others are in it.
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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2005, 02:14:45 AM »

To break up the old Southeast which was a wee bit too large and unwieldy (especially since it also included London) in case regional devolution ever comes about, I'd figure...
So now there's two Home Counties regions, one north of London also including East Anglia, the other South & West of London also including Hampshire.

Southeast - 84 seats
Labour - 84
Tories - 84
LD - 84
UKIP - 84 !
Green - 31
Loonies - 8. Yeah, I always knew the Home Counties were full of loonies.
English Democrats - 6
Veritas - 5
BNP - 4
Legalize Cannabis Alliance - 4
Socialist Labour - 3
UK Community Issues Party - 3. Including two with Christian first names and the same Muslim family name.
Respect - 2
The Peace Party - 2
Socialist Alternative - 1
National Front - 1
People's Justice Party - 1. Yeah, the Brum Kashmiri Party is not standing anywhere in Brum, but it is standing in one safe Tory southeastern seat. And with a candidate with an English name, too.
Alliance for Green Socialism - 1
Peace & Progress - 1
Senior Citizens Party - 1
Your Party - 1. We've met them before.
Democratic Socialist Alliance - People before Progress - 1. Ditto.
Justice Party - 1
Millennium Council - 1
Protest Vote Party - 1
New England Party - 1
English Independence Party - 1
Silent Majority Party - 1
Independent Working Class Association - 1
UK Pathfinders - 1
Telepathic Partnership - 1
Get Britian Back Party - 1. I don't know if the typo is the BBC's or the party's own, but it isn't mine.
Independents - 24, in just 18 constituencies.
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2005, 02:19:00 AM »

It might also be because East Anglia was too small
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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2005, 02:33:14 AM »

It might also be because East Anglia was too small
That might have figured as well. Although another rather undersized region was made smaller at the same time, in the only other change.

South West (51 seats)
Labour - 51
LD - 51
Tory - 51
UKIP - 50 (all but Tewkesbury)
Green - 21
Veritas - 4
Socialist Labour - 4
Liberal Party - 4
Mebyon Kernow - 4. No Cornish Independency candidate in Saint Ives, for some reason.
Respect - 3
BNP - 3
English Democrats - 1
Socialist Alternative - 1
Legalize Cannabis Alliance - 1
Socialist Unity - 1
Loonies - 1
Wessex Regionalists - 1
English Parliamentary Party - 1
Personality AND Rational Thinking? Yes! Party - 1. No kidding. Dorset South, btw.
Save Bristol North Baths - 1. I call that an independent.
Removal of Tetramasts in Cornwall - 1. Ditto.
Demanding Honesty in Politics and Whitehall - 1. Ditto.
Independents - 22 (in 20 constituencies)
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« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2005, 03:05:57 AM »
« Edited: April 25, 2005, 03:12:32 AM by Peter Bell »

The People's Justice Party in Horsham really does surprise me. Its Francis Maude for crying out loud - he's a pretty socially liberal Tory, so they can't be going after him for "extremism" or something like that. For the record, Horsham is one of my old drinking holes, and I from my knowledge of the area, they aren't going to do well.

The Justice Party is running in Crawley. My aunt lives there and I was actually talking to her about this candidate on the phone last weekend: Apparently he's run in the last two general elections, as well as a good number of locals. He's never done well, and apparently he is something of an Al Qaeda apologist.

Mebyon Kernow - 4. No Cornish Independency candidate in Saint Ives, for some reason.

I found out why: link
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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2005, 03:35:43 AM »

Mebyon Kernow - 4. No Cornish Independency candidate in Saint Ives, for some reason.

I found out why: link

Any chance of them improving their performance to the point where they get any of their deposits nack this year?
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« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2005, 03:52:08 AM »

No special reason I suppose, but I find the MK candidates' names, taken together, slightly amusing:
Dick Cole, Conan Jenkin, Graham Sandercock and Hilda Wasley.
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« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2005, 04:12:49 AM »

Mebyon Kernow - 4. No Cornish Independency candidate in Saint Ives, for some reason.

I found out why: link

Any chance of them improving their performance to the point where they get any of their deposits nack this year?

Its just about within the realms of possibility, though I wouldn't bet on it. If its going to be anywhere it'll be Truro and St. Austell.
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« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2005, 10:13:09 AM »


There's your answer
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